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Old 01-09-2013, 10:10 PM   #16
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Default Re: Will Nash Never Making the Finals Overshadow His Career

Yes and no.

If Nash did make the finals in his prime, then I think we would view his career and his teams a bit differently.

Nash never really underperformed in his offensive play, but him and his team were never enough to get over the hump despite the talent. The Suns had the most talent in the league at one point, and still couldn't get to the Finals. So, it does say how his team and him were not good enough to reach the Finals.

Still, as I said, he never really underperformed. He was still the most efficient and best offensive point guard.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:19 PM   #17
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To casual fans yes probably. Not to me, and hopefully not anyone on this site. He played in the West against an ATG lakers team and took it to them every time. To casual fans he will wither away like iverson and stockton if he never wins
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:47 PM   #18
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To me, yes. More so with everything being suited to his style when he was with Phoenix.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:03 AM   #19
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Yes, Nash had a lot of talent, but he had some bad luck with...

Joe Johnson getting injured in one playoff run...

And Stoudemire getting suspended against the Spurs for leaving the bench in another...

Both incidents derailed stacked Suns teams to advance to the finals
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:06 AM   #20
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II'll remember him for being the orchestrater of some of the best offenses and for being one of the best shooters ever.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:06 AM   #21
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He has been on many great teams and he failed.

He was with dirk in dallas, did nothing.
He had a excellent team in phoenix, even if he was the best player there
He has a superteam in lakers now.


yet we still listen to " he makes players around him better" . I would have loved to see him in the sixers in place of AI.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:19 AM   #22
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Yes, Nash had a lot of talent, but he had some bad luck with...

Joe Johnson getting injured in one playoff run...

And Stoudemire getting suspended against the Spurs for leaving the bench in another...

Both incidents derailed stacked Suns teams to advance to the finals

This, plus, Phx should have just resigned JJ -- Nash only had championship talent that year, and if they had kept the core together for 5 (Nash marion amare, jj), he would have at least 1 ring.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:33 AM   #23
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Yes, Nash had a lot of talent, but he had some bad luck with...

Joe Johnson getting injured in one playoff run...

And Stoudemire getting suspended against the Spurs for leaving the bench in another...

Both incidents derailed stacked Suns teams to advance to the finals
Yeah...Stoudemire also got injured for the whole year in 2006.

Nash still had a great chance with the Suns, but still failed.

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He has been on many great teams and he failed.

He was with dirk in dallas, did nothing.

He had a excellent team in phoenix, even if he was the best player there
He has a superteam in lakers now.


yet we still listen to " he makes players around him better" . I would have loved to see him in the sixers in place of AI.

I miss those teams with Dirk, Nash and Finley. With that said, they weren't ready yet. Nash and Dirk are more like a fine wine. They got better as their age. Nash didn't hit his prime until his 30s. Dirk hit his peak in his 30s.

The reason why, if I can recall correctly, Cuban let go of Nash was because he thought Nash was going to fade away as he aged. Then Nash won MVP as soon as he went to the Suns.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:06 AM   #24
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KJ? Really? The only thing arguable is that KJ had a higher peak, but it was extremely short and the rest of his career pales against Nash. Payton is arguable, but again not as much longevity and his accolades and accomplishments aren't really any better (unless you count a ring as a role player an accomplishment).

The rest I can see, but IMO Nash > Frazier (short peak/longevity) and currently Paul (which will change later on)

Whats so funny? Keven Johnson is the 2nd best Suns player right below Charles Barkley, dude is a top 10 PG of all time and best PG in Suns franchise history.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:14 AM   #25
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I did it once in an all-time PG discussion thread, it was like months ago during offseason.

Edit: Heres the top 10 PG list:
1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Bob Cousy
5. John Stockton
6. Chris Paul
7. Walt Frazier
8. Jason Kidd
9. Gary Payton
10. Kevin Johnson

I'd put Nash about KJ, but I agree otherwise.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:16 AM   #26
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Whats so funny? Keven Johnson is the 2nd best Suns player right below Charles Barkley, dude is a top 10 PG of all time and best PG in Suns franchise history.

I kept voting KJ in the that damn top 100 all time list ISH was running and no one backed me up. smh. Nash > KJ tho.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:26 AM   #27
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Ring chasing and failing with this Lakers squad might dim his lite a little for the time being, but eventually he will be remembered as one of the most efficient and talented offensive players the game has ever seen. The fact that he has 2 MVP's will insure his legacy is never forgotten.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:28 AM   #28
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I kept voting KJ in the that damn top 100 all time list ISH was running and no one backed me up. smh. Nash > KJ tho.

Well I never looked at that thread, or Id back you up. I do believe KJ is better than Nash though, better peak and NBA finals appearance speak it all.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:45 AM   #29
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I did it once in an all-time PG discussion thread, it was like months ago during offseason.

Edit: Heres the top 10 PG list:
1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Bob Cousy
5. John Stockton
6. Chris Paul
7. Walt Frazier
8. Jason Kidd
9. Gary Payton
10. Kevin Johnson



Nash has a higher points and assists career total than KJ (And its not close) He also doesnt have a ring nor as many awards as Nash.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../nashst01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...johnske02.html


Also, whats interesting, is they both have a very similar similarity scores!
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:51 AM   #30
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in 07 that series vs. SAS was the real finals
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