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Old 01-13-2013, 07:49 AM   #31
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Default Re: According to new study, New Zealand is "most free" country in the world.

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But they hate us for our 'freedoms'! I mean that's the reason why we got attacked correct?

So even pre-9/11 how different were those countries from America? I mean, why weren't they attacked?

Shit, from almost all of the polls that I've seen in the past 20 years, Canada always appears to be amongst the top 5 in anything positive. Why weren't they attacked?

Oh yeah, that's right.

They don't impose their 'liberties and freedoms' on Middle Eastern countries and leave them sick, poor and dead.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:14 AM   #32
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Default Re: According to new study, New Zealand is "most free" country in the world.

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But they hate us for our 'freedoms'! I mean that's the reason why we got attacked correct?

So even pre-9/11 how different were those countries from America? I mean, why weren't they attacked?

Shit, from almost all of the polls that I've seen in the past 20 years, Canada always appears to be amongst the top 5 in anything positive. Why weren't they attacked?

Oh yeah, that's right.

They don't impose their 'liberties and freedoms' on Middle Eastern countries and leave them sick, poor and dead.

Exactly. Because those other countries don't stick their noses where they don't belong and intervene militarily anywhere they please.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:08 PM   #33
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Default Re: According to new study, New Zealand is "most free" country in the world.

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But I thought that you needed guns to keep you free from tyrannical governments......

They apparently do have guns.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:05 PM   #34
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They apparently do have guns.

So do most of the other countries listed to my knowledge. However, seems like guns have no impact in keeping you free from tyranny. I mean if guns had a significant impact on keeping people free than how does that explain the erosion of rights we've seen over the last few years???
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So do most of the other countries listed to my knowledge. However, seems like guns have no impact in keeping you free from tyranny. I mean if guns had a significant impact on keeping people free than how does that explain the erosion of rights we've seen over the last few years???

Well, if a selected group of countries all allow private gun ownership and one of the countries allegedly has eroding rights, you can't conclude from that alone that guns are or aren't having an impact because guns wouldn't be the only (or even most significant) factor.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:24 PM   #36
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So do most of the other countries listed to my knowledge. However, seems like guns have no impact in keeping you free from tyranny. I mean if guns had a significant impact on keeping people free than how does that explain the erosion of rights we've seen over the last few years???
What a joke poster. You're arguing against a useless point; if there is truly a tyrannical government in this modern age, obviously citizens cannot hope to fight on a whole other playing field technologically.
To say that guns has had no impact on the recent erosion of rights implies a need for insurrection. Guns may not keep you free from tyranny, but they allow you to fight against it.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:52 PM   #38
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What a joke poster. You're arguing against a useless point; if there is truly a tyrannical government in this modern age, obviously citizens cannot hope to fight on a whole other playing field technologically.
To say that guns has had no impact on the recent erosion of rights implies a need for insurrection. Guns may not keep you free from tyranny, but they allow you to fight against it.

It is a point that gun nuts bring up, but I also reject that guns are going to help fight against tyranny. It is a joke to think that they would help vs. the capabilities of the US military.
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It is a point that gun nuts bring up, but I also reject that guns are going to help fight against tyranny. It is a joke to think that they would help vs. the capabilities of the US military.
That is not the point. The point is that in the instance of tyrannical rule, a militia would be better able to protect itself than with their bare hands. Real tyranny, not your "tyranny" of the last couple of years.
Look up the Iraqi insurrections, Soviet-Afghani conflict, Hungarian Revolution of 1956, etc.
All cases where citizens with guns helped fight against tyranny.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:09 PM   #41
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:36 PM   #42
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But they hate us for our 'freedoms'! I mean that's the reason why we got attacked correct?

So even pre-9/11 how different were those countries from America? I mean, why weren't they attacked?

Shit, from almost all of the polls that I've seen in the past 20 years, Canada always appears to be amongst the top 5 in anything positive. Why weren't they attacked?

Oh yeah, that's right.

They don't impose their 'liberties and freedoms' on Middle Eastern countries and leave them sick, poor and dead.
158 Canadian troops have died fighting in Afghanistan since 2002.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:38 PM   #43
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Default Re: According to new study, New Zealand is "most free" country in the world.

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It is a point that gun nuts bring up, but I also reject that guns are going to help fight against tyranny. It is a joke to think that they would help vs. the capabilities of the US military.


Killing foreigners and killing fellow citizens is a different story. You cannot deploy the same tactics against your own people as you can foreign nations, because you are essentially asking soldiers to kill their own family and friends. The U.S. military is powerful because of their ability to blow shit up from a distance. If you look at our domestic enforcement, such as the National Guard, it's a complete joke. We can't even stop unarmed Mexicans from crossing our borders at will, or effectively help our own people in times of disaster (see Katrina). An enraged U.S. populace focused on revolution would be more than the U.S. domestic military could handle, unless you believe the U.S. would tactically nuke its own people... and even if they did, it would only further damage their cause, forcing citizens to completely reject the governments authority.


Eventually we will get to see how the U.S. responds to a revolt from its citizens, because it's only a matter of time before a State (like Texas), decides to attempt to secede from the Union. Hopefully it happens in my lifetime, because I'm interested to see how the U.S. government will respond.
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158 Canadian troops have died fighting in Afghanistan since 2002.
Obviously these countries very small roles in such interventions. They wouldn't be involved at all if it weren't for American intervention first.
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Obviously these countries very small roles in such interventions. They wouldn't be involved at all if it weren't for American intervention first.

Canada didn't have a small role, maybe not the role of the US/Brits but Khandhar province is not a small role.
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