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Old 01-17-2013, 12:45 PM   #16
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So all you got is regular season wins? No titles w/o Mike

Jordan joined a horrible team in '84; they were already improving before Scottie arrived, and simply continued to improve. Scottie was pretty bad as a rookie by the way. In '94, he was on a hugely experienced Bulls team that already had 3 rings, was a good team, and added both Kerr and Kukoc.
It sad you continue to spout this nonsense Kuniva. Especially when Ive informed and showed you that the 94 Bulls werent the exact same championship team minus Jordan. The only players that played considerable minutes in 94 that remained from that championship team the year before was Armstrong, Grant, and Pippen. And Grant and Pippen missed 10 games a piece. Paxson hardly played, Scott Williams had an injury plagued season. I think he only played in 30 games. Stacy King left through that trade with Luc Longley early in the season. Trent Tucker left. Bill Cartwright barely played due to age and injuries.

The core of that 94 team would evolve into the Bulls that would win the second threepeat. But Kukoc, Kerr, Myers, Longley, Wennigton, had no championship experience when they joined the Bulls.

And this isnt an indictment on Jordan. That team wasnt good enough to win a championship. Then When he came back and Rodman joined, they turned into a historic alltime team.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:45 PM   #17
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Troll alert.

Ignore anything this guy says.
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what if lebron james never grew to be a 6'6 220 pound highschool baller? what if he was 6'4 190? tyreke evans?
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:56 PM   #19
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Based on the opinions you have handed out in the last year or two I find it unlikely you have ever watched James Worthy play and you probably watched Jordan on the wizards when you were 9. If that. But....that is often the case with people making absurd claims about that time. Perhaps id do the same were ISH around in 1991 and talk out my ass about Truck Robinson to people who saw him play live. We all do foolish things when young. So....im gonna leave you to it and hope you grow out of it. Enjoy your topic knowing that if it comes up deleted it was not me. Even if I really really really really feel the urge.

Around a year or two ago he said he had been watching the NBA for 7 years, so he basically even missed the Lakers three peat.
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This is a desperation thread, made by a desperate kobe stan, who is realizing Kobe have ZERO chance at the GOAT and it's losing ground on the top10, so he will do and say ANYTHING to make Kobe look better.


At it's time, Lebron stans will go through the same.



It's really far beyond unhealthy this kind of obsession, OP should realize it, and make a effort to get a life.
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MJ and Worthy were drafted 2 years apart.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:16 PM   #22
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jordan just got lucky to have had a derrick rose type defensive powerhouse built around him so jordan could free wheel on offense with seemingly all the credit going to him. when infact they were much more like the d-rose mvp bulls. in that they could win without him nearly just as much.
Actually DRose was more important for his team than Jordan..

1994 Bulls went to conference finals and almost had a chance to win the championship that year if not for the bad officiating.. That series was an obvious rigged in favor of the Knicks.. That time nobody want to watch the bulls in the finals without Mike even bulls fans would rather want their team lose than win without Mike.. That would be a big dagger in Jordan legacy.. And Stern doesnt want that to happen to his number one source of income that time thats why he make his moves and take control of the series and the bulls lost in a very tight game in 7 even tho bulls were the better team by far.. All of that happened without their overrated leader MJ..

while

2012 Bulls without DRose = 1st round exit in just 6 games..

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Actually DRose was more important for his team than Jordan..

1994 Bulls went to conference finals and almost had a chance to win the championship that year if not for the bad officiating.. That series was an obvious rigged in favor of the Knicks.. That time nobody want to watch the bulls in the finals without Mike even bulls fans would rather want their team lose than win without Mike.. That would be a big dagger in Jordan legacy.. And Stern doesnt want that to happen to his number one source of income that time thats why he make his moves and take control of the series and the bulls lost in a very tight game in 7 even tho bulls were the better team by far.. All of that happened without their overrated leader MJ..

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2012 Bulls without DRose = 1st round exit in just 6 games..

Shut the **** up you clown.
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Actually DRose was more important for his team than Jordan..

1994 Bulls went to conference finals and almost had a chance to win the championship that year if not for the bad officiating.. That series was an obvious rigged in favor of the Knicks.. That time nobody want to watch the bulls in the finals without Mike even bulls fans would rather want their team lose than win without Mike.. That would be a big dagger in Jordan legacy.. And Stern doesnt want that to happen to his number one source of income that time thats why he make his moves and take control of the series and the bulls lost in a very tight game in 7 even tho bulls were the better team by far.. All of that happened without their overrated leader MJ..

while

2012 Bulls without DRose = 1st round exit in just 6 games..


By that logic, Pau is more important to the Lakers than Kobe.

With Pau = Finals & Championships
Couple of years before Pau = Nothing at all.

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What if Jordan played with Kareem and Worthy and Magic plays with Pip and Grant? Who wins more titles?
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By that logic, Pau is more important to the Lakers than Kobe.

With Pau = Finals & Championships
Couple of years before Pau = Nothing at all.



Pau was shit before he went to lakers

Kobe was a 3 time champs as the best player before pau

Try again next time troll..
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What if Jordan played with Kareem and Worthy and Magic plays with Pip and Grant? Who wins more titles?
Thats an obvious easy question

Ofc Magic would win more..

Theres no way Mike can carry an old ass Kareem deep into the playoff like what Magic did..
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Thats an obvious easy question

Ofc Magic would win more..

Theres no way Mike can carry an old ass Kareem deep into the playoff like what Magic did..

From someone not even born when any of these guys were in their primes
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What if Jordan played with Kareem and Worthy and Magic plays with Pip and Grant? Who wins more titles?
Magic doesn't provide enough half court scoring in the slow, gritty Eastern Conference. Specially not against the likes of the '92 and '93 Knicks.
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james worthy was the superior player on those north carolina teams. he was clearly better than mike

sometimes a career can be lifted by having your own situation/team built around you from day one. and sometimes your legacy can be hurt by playing behind 2 HOF'rs nearly the entire time.

what if.... james worthy played for the bulls

and jordan went to the lakers and had to play behind kareem and magic

jordan sacrifices his numbers to around 20ppg

worthy drops 27ppg

say the lakers win a few more rings. magic would have gotten most of the credit still... mike maybe winning the last 3 finals mvps out of the 6-7 titles



worthy and the bulls win 3-4 titles instead of 6

jordan ends his career with a 22,5,5 average, 6-7 titles, 3 fmvps

worthy ends his career with a 27,5,4 average, 4-5 titles, 4-5 fmvps




i think a guy like big game james just got caught up in propping up magic and kareems legacy..


jordan just got lucky to have had a derrick rose type defensive powerhouse built around him so jordan could free wheel on offense with seemingly all the credit going to him. when infact they were much more like the d-rose mvp bulls. in that they could win without him nearly just as much.

hense 1994 with only 2 less wins

jordan = 2 more wins... thats all he was ever worth to them. always stood out to me more than anything

its obvious offense had nothing to do with the bulls success. it was team effort and defense. jordan just pushed them over the top. and i believe any other great player in that position would have done the same

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