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Old 01-22-2013, 03:44 PM   #31
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Driving is a privledge. But its still regualted. Mainly because of all the irresponsible individuals that abuse this privilege. You continue to act as if owning a gun is your god given right. Its not. And since youre so bent in defending your secind amendment right dont forget that a key word in that bill is a well REGULATED militia. No one is trying to take away your ability to own weapons. But the fact is when a way of life begins to be abused, and then spills over into society, Its gonna be more regulated. Unfortunately, that regualation cost. And the only people who should pay for that regulating, is gun owners.

Im a gun owner myself. And I dont mind paying a reasonable yearly fee, to help curb gun violence. Why are you so against it?

A privilege can be taxed. A civil right can not be taxed. You are not guaranteed the right to drive a vehicle in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. You are however guaranteed the right to own a firearm, and the Supreme Court has also determined you are guaranteed this right regardless of your affiliation to any "militia".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric...mbia_v._Heller

How do you determine what is a reasonable tax for the right to defend yourself? If a person is too poor to afford this tax, do they forfeit their right to defend themselves?
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:00 PM   #32
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A privilege can be taxed. A civil right can not be taxed. You are not guaranteed the right to drive a vehicle in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. You are however guaranteed the right to own a firearm, and the Supreme Court has also determined you are guaranteed this right regardless of your affiliation to any "militia".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric...mbia_v._Heller

How do you determine what is a reasonable tax for the right to defend yourself? If a person is too poor to afford this tax, do they forfeit their right to defend themselves?
Then by your logic, guns should be free right? Its not a tax, its a cost. Just like the cost to buy the Bullets, scopes, background checks etc. Youre the one calling it a tax.

Either way, your lumping the right to defend youreself with the right to bare arms. You dont NEED a gun to defend youreself. You choose to use a gun as a means of self defense.
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Then by your logic, guns should be free right? Its not a tax, its a cost. Just like the cost to buy the Bullets, scopes, background checks etc. Youre the one calling it a tax.

Either way, your lumping the right to defend youreself with the right to bare arms. You dont NEED a gun to defend youreself. You choose to use a gun as a means of self defense.

No guns should not be free, they have a real and tangible material cost. They don't appear out of thin air. A tax is not a real tangible cost, it is an artificial cost imposed by the government.

And besides the fact that defending yourself with your fists is not a viable option for women or anybody facing an armed attacker, you are still guaranteed the right to own a gun. Any tax that prohibits law abiding people from owning a gun is a violation of their civil rights.

This is the reason Obama's proposal has nothing about a tax, however small. The Supreme Court would rule it unconstitutional.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:32 PM   #34
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No guns should not be free, they have a real and tangible material cost. They don't appear out of thin air. A tax is not a real tangible cost, it is an artificial cost imposed by the government.

And besides the fact that defending yourself with your fists is not a viable option for women or anybody facing an armed attacker, you are still guaranteed the right to own a gun. Any tax that prohibits law abiding people from owning a gun is a violation of their civil rights.

This is the reason Obama's proposal has nothing about a tax, however small. The Supreme Court would rule it unconstitutional.
Its not a tax Bmulls. You yourself said that you dont mind having to register your firearms. How do you propose we do this and maintain it? Besides, you're the one calling it a tax

And be real. Youre not trying to argue for women, youre arguing for yourself.
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This derailment is rather stupid, since in order to drive a vehicle you have to maintain a state photo ID and somewhat respectable driving record. Not to mention you also have to purchase insurance in case any persons or property are damaged by your vehicle.

There is no such system in place for guns, so sure I'd take equal requirements to own a gun as to own a vehicle.
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This derailment is rather stupid, since in order to drive a vehicle you have to maintain a state photo ID and somewhat respectable driving record. Not to mention you also have to purchase insurance in case any persons or property are damaged by your vehicle.

There is no such system in place for guns, so sure I'd take equal requirements to own a gun as to own a vehicle.
Not to mention the huge limitations put on cars as far as smog, speed, safety etc. Using cars as an example in a plight to fight gun regulations is dumb.
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