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Old 01-23-2013, 12:51 PM   #46
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Dude, the violent crime rate in Australia is higher than the US. Keep acting smug about gun crime while the assault rate, rape rate, burglary rate etc. in your country continues to rank in the top 4 or 5 among developed nations. You have your own issues to deal with, quit acting like shit is so great in Aussie land.

Rape in US per 100,000 = 27.3
Rape is Aus per 100,000 = 8.1

Although, I don't think this statistic really has much to do with guns. But you brought it up...

Burglary is higher in Aus (from memory), but I don't attribute this to lack of guns either, but rather a serious drug and alcohol problem we have. Additionally I don't consider burglary a violent crime - since (as I did demonstrate) most burglaries occur when home owners aren't home.

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They are identical in function. An assault weapons ban is a ban on aesthetics and cosmetics, not functionality.

You need to stop living in a fantasy world where people don't understand the mechanism behind firing rates. We understand that guns can look drasitcally different yet still do the same thing. No one is scared of black plastic. They are scared of rifles that can shoot multiple rounds within seconds.

I typed all of this while having two shots of Southern Comfort so excuse me if it makes no sense. Or if it is rife with grammatical errors.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:54 PM   #47
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Shooting in Houston?

Must've been an Asian kid who argued with a white guy how about Jeremy Lin is the best player in the NBA.

The white kid disagreed and they started shooting each other?
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:54 PM   #48
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Dude, the violent crime rate in Australia is higher than the US. Keep acting smug about gun crime while the assault rate, rape rate, burglary rate etc. in your country continues to rank in the top 4 or 5 among developed nations. You have your own issues to deal with, quit acting like shit is so great in Aussie land.

Dickhead, why did you leave the last thread as soon as you got smashed with your BS "statistics"..
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:57 PM   #49
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Burglary is higher in Aus (from memory), but I don't attribute this to lack of guns either, but rather a serious drug and alcohol problem we have. Additionally I don't consider burglary a violent crime - since (as I did demonstrate) most burglaries occur when home owners aren't home.

In fact, I confronted a burglar the other day! I put the story on here somewhere, but I'm in no state to find it now.

Essentially I told the burglar (who was breaking into my Grandma's neighbor's house) to go away. Didn't even have to unload in his face or anything! Amazing.

A world without guns. Could you imagine?
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:04 PM   #50
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Shooting in Houston?

Must've been an Asian kid who argued with a white guy how about Jeremy Lin is the best player in the NBA.

The white kid disagreed and they started shooting each other?
That's Sugar Land. We're talking about HOUSTON.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:20 PM   #51
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Rape in US per 100,000 = 27.3
Rape is Aus per 100,000 = 8.1

Although, I don't think this statistic really has much to do with guns. But you brought it up...

Burglary is higher in Aus (from memory), but I don't attribute this to lack of guns either, but rather a serious drug and alcohol problem we have. Additionally I don't consider burglary a violent crime - since (as I did demonstrate) most burglaries occur when home owners aren't home.

You need to stop living in a fantasy world where people don't understand the mechanism behind firing rates. We understand that guns can look drasitcally different yet still do the same thing. No one is scared of black plastic. They are scared of rifles that can shoot multiple rounds within seconds.

The first picture I posted is of a gun that would not be illegal under the AWB. The 2nd gun would be illegal under the proposed AWB. They have identical functions because they are the same god damn gun. Is that some fantasy world? Do you not understand the frustration? Jesus christ.

As for your "stats"...

Here's a link from your own government stating 71 sexual assaults per 100,000 people:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....2!OpenDocument

More stats with actual sources...

The assault rate in Australia is 100% greater than in the US (4th among developed nations, opposed to the US in 11th), the rape rate is 150% higher than the US (5th among developed nations, compared to the US at 13th). Australia is also ranked #1 in total crime victims at 30.1%. That is 43% higher than the United States, which is ranked 15th.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

Point being whatever the hell you are doing over there isn't so red hot. We don't need your opinions, thanks.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:32 PM   #52
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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the crime statistics showing that there is less violence today???

What do you mean it has magnified under Obama???

In terms of media attention maybe but I don't see how that has anything to do with Obama

I did not mean he's made the country more violent. That would be asinine. I mean that it seems every violent act on the news seems to be made into a gun control issue.

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How has Obama been incompetent???

I wouldn't rate him as a good president, it still too early to have an accurate ratting. However, with the mess he has inherited I think he has done a fair job. The situation could have been much worse in the short-term so instead they kick the problem down the road because they didn't have a solution at the time. While that is a lack of leadership it is the modern reality of today politics. I see it as politicians would rather leave the problem for someone else to solve then risking their own careers trying to solve a problem. However, overall if they did nothing the reality in today's America would have been much different.

The country is in horrendous debt, he won't cut spending, and the economy is still complete shit. He's been terrible in terms of foreign policy with the one exception being drones. He's divided the parties more than any president I've seen and is completely unwilling to compromise.

"Raising the debt ceiling is unpatriotic" - Obama in 2008

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As far as him having an extreme left wing agenda, Who does he have an extreme left agenda in comparison too???

The Democrats are far from a left-wing party in comparison to other country left-wing parties. In fact, the Democrat party would be farther to the right of most center right-wing parties across the globe. Also, in terms of America's left, Obama is not exactly their favourite son because they actually would like to see him go farther on some issues.

It seems that I don't even have to guess what Obama will say or do when it comes to an issue. Always seems to be the farthest left thing I can think of.

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Finally, I don't think people are suggesting that gang members get their guns legally but that the legal guns can flow into the illegal arms trade.

Many of the guns that are on the streets, will remain there and there will be many more smuggled in from South America if there's money to be made.

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Ok but those gang bangers aren't the ones shooting up schools. These loser ass kids aren't buying guns off the streets. You think a guy like Adam Lanza knows where to go to get a gun off the street? Those dudes hardly never their house.

We shouldn't ban guns but geez at least make them more difficult to get. Don't see how a more stringent process to buy guns will affect anyone. That would, at the least, deter some of the crazies that try to buy a gun legally.

Adam Lanza never had a gun legally, his mother did. Unfortunately, her carelessness resulted in a tragedy.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:46 PM   #53
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The country is in horrendous debt, he won't cut spending, and the economy is still complete shit. He's been terrible in terms of foreign policy with the one exception being drones. He's divided the parties more than any president I've seen and is completely unwilling to compromise.

"Raising the debt ceiling is unpatriotic" - Obama in 2008

Yes the country is in horrendous debt, and that is largely due to 30 years of mismanagement by numerous presidents. Also cutting spending at this time when the economy is fragile would have a disastrous impact on the economy. As for foreign policy, I actually think the drones are the worst aspect in his policy. It is indiscriminate and is turning more children into future terrorists.

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It seems that I don't even have to guess what Obama will say or do when it comes to an issue. Always seems to be the farthest left thing I can think of.


I honestly can't see how that is a credible thing to say.

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Adam Lanza never had a gun legally, his mother did. Unfortunately, her carelessness resulted in a tragedy.

So how can we make it possible that irresponsible gun owners like his mom don't obtain guns in the first place???

or how do we make her aware of her responsibility before she is able to own a gun???
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:50 PM   #54
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I did not mean he's made the country more violent. That would be asinine. I mean that it seems every violent act on the news seems to be made into a gun control issue.

That is what the media does, they are in the business of building a narrative and fitting news into that narrative. When it was bath salt I found it interesting that even cases that nothing to do with bath salt were being weaved into the narrative. For now, gun control is a hot button topic in a few months or so it will die back down and the media will turn its attention to something else.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:56 PM   #55
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The country is in horrendous debt, he won't cut spending, and the economy is still complete shit. He's been terrible in terms of foreign policy with the one exception being drones. He's divided the parties more than any president I've seen and is completely unwilling to compromise.

"Raising the debt ceiling is unpatriotic" - Obama in 2008
I was just reading yesterday about effective propaganda. It was mostly focused on the phrase "Support our troops", but it's fascinating to see how much of political understanding is just talking points. It's all slogans now. Memes. I think we're trending in the right direction though, with the proliferation of information and and "open-source" approach to truth and transparency.

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It seems that I don't even have to guess what Obama will say or do when it comes to an issue. Always seems to be the farthest left thing I can think of.
Except for drugs. And perpetual war. And healthcare. And the million-and-a-half immigrants he's deported (10,000 more per month than his predecessor). And his kowtowing to the corporations and financial giants. And his NDAA tomfoolery. And his "kill list".

Yeah, other than all that he's obviously just a dirty pot-smoking hippy. The Republicans have spent the last 40 years moving so far to the right that they've completely skewed the gradient. Open athiests get elected as conservatives in other countries. In our country, political conservatism mean "evolution and embryology are lies from the pit of hell".

Saying Obama is "as far left as you can think of" means you really aren't all that imaginative.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:57 PM   #56
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That is what the media does, they are in the business of building a narrative and fitting news into that narrative. When it was bath salt I found it interesting that even cases that nothing to do with bath salt were being weaved into the narrative. For now, gun control is a hot button topic in a few months or so it will die back down and the media will turn its attention to something else.
It's all about the amygdala.

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Old 01-23-2013, 02:59 PM   #57
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Way to go, Texas! That "let's stock up on even more guns" plan is working out beautifully.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:46 PM   #58
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Way to go, Texas! That "let's stock up on even more guns" plan is working out beautifully.


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SAN DIEGO—Following the events of last week, in which a crazed western lowland gorilla ruthlessly murdered 21 people in a local shopping plaza after escaping from the San Diego Zoo, sources across the country confirmed Thursday that national gorilla sales have since skyrocketed.

“After seeing yet another deranged gorilla just burst into a public place and start killing people, I decided I need to make sure something like that never happens to me,” said 34-year-old Atlanta resident Nick Keller, shortly after purchasing a 350-pound mountain gorilla from his local gorilla store. “It just gives me peace of mind knowing that if I’m ever in that situation, I won’t have to just watch helplessly as my torso is ripped in half and my face is chewed off. I’ll be able to use my gorilla to defend myself.”

“Law enforcement and animal control can only get there so quickly,” Keller added. “And you never know when you’ll need to use a gorilla to save your life.”

Reports confirmed that gorilla sales have historically risen sharply in the immediate aftermath of a major gorilla attack, most notably after the 2010 tragedy in the small town of Logan, NM, where 14 people, including two 5-year-old children and a 92-year-old woman, were viciously beaten to death by a 12-year-old gorilla who spontaneously attacked patrons of a crowded grocery store.

The latest attack marked the fifth of its kind in the United States within the last six months and has reignited the explosive national debate over gorilla control, with thousands of outraged Americans reportedly demanding that their government representatives act immediately in order to prevent further bloodshed.

“We’ve had to deal with too many gorilla-related tragedies, and we’ve had to bury too many innocent, feces-covered victims,” said Nicole Simmons, president of the Mothers Against Gorillas coalition, who herself lost her 16-year-old son in the infamous Baker High School gorilla rampage of 1997. “It’s time to put an end to this. We need to get gorillas off the streets once and for all. Enough is enough.”

“The answer to this systemic problem is not more gorillas,” Simmons continued, her eyes welling with tears. “The answer is fewer gorillas.”

As evidence, Simmons pointed to a 2011 University of Maryland study, which found that 98 percent of Americans who own a gorilla have never used them for defense against a home invasion. Simmons also cited widely reported studies confirming that people who keep gorillas in the home are 12 times more likely to have their arms torn off, and children in those households are 19 times more likely to be picked up by the legs and bashed repeatedly into the ground.

Furthermore, many gorilla control advocates have reportedly called for statewide limits to the number of gorillas one can purchase and a federal ban on the ownership of silverbacks, referencing as an example the tight gorilla laws in countries such as Japan, England, and Australia, where the annual rate of gorilla crimes is virtually nonexistent.

“There is absolutely no reason—not for hunting, protection, or otherwise—that an ordinary citizen would need to possess a 600-pound silverback,” said Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), one of the most outspoken gorilla control advocates in Congress. “The general public frankly has no business owning apes of this size, and the only people who do are zookeepers who are trained to properly handle them. Otherwise, they are nothing but a threat to society and only serve to perpetuate more violence.”

Opponents to gorilla control legislation, however, appear to be fervent in their defense of their gorilla possession rights. A spokesperson for the powerful yet controversial national gorilla lobby told reporters that a ban on gorillas would not end incidents such as that in San Diego, as those who want the large primates could simply buy them from illegal dealers who smuggle them into the country from the jungles of sub-Saharan Africa.

Many gorilla owners also told sources that the creatures are primarily used for legal hunting purposes and that the overwhelming majority of gorilla enthusiasts are completely responsible with their apes.

“Listen, it’s my God-given right as an American to have the freedom to own a gorilla to protect myself and my family,” said Nashua, NH resident James Harrington, 46, adding that he personally owns 12 different gorillas of various sizes, but keeps them “safely locked away in [his] home.” “And the government has another thing coming if they think they can come into my house and take away my gorillas.”

“What happened in San Diego was horrible, but that doesn’t mean all gorillas are bad,” Harrington added. “In fact, if every person at that mall had a gorilla, then the tragedy probably never would have even happened in the first place.”

At press time, following the increase in national gorilla sales, four isolated gorilla attacks had just been reported across the country, with the overall civilian death toll currently estimated at 37.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gor...a-attac,30860/
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:03 PM   #59
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Way to go, Texas! That "let's stock up on even more guns" plan is working out beautifully.




Texas is above average in terms in gun violence...not that there is any truth in your post that we are "stocking up" here smh




3 people were WOUNDED near a Houston school...who gives a fck...only reason it is even a news item is because it was near a school
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:11 PM   #60
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Texas is above average in terms in gun violence...not that there is any truth in your post that we are "stocking up" here smh


3 people were WOUNDED near a Houston school...who gives a fck...only reason it is even a news item is because it was near a school

They are going to have their little gun control circle jerk regardless of the facts, stats or common sense. Comparing a gorilla to an inanimate object and posting it like it's funny or something That isn't even quality satire.
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