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Old 01-23-2013, 04:26 PM   #61
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That's the excuse the gun nuts typically use.

Uh… if there was stricter gun laws some of these guns wouldn't be obtained, legally or illegally. It will only make it harder to obtain and then to traffic.

YES the illegal black market will exist, but it will become harder for criminals to obtain them.

And NO, not all guns obtained by gangs are illegal. I've known plenty of people that obtained them legally.

And then we'll see a rise in other violent crime weapons, like knifes, or something. It's the people, not the guns
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:50 PM   #62
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And then we'll see a rise in other violent crime weapons, like knifes, or something. It's the people, not the guns
A man in china tried to go on a killing spree with a knife the same day of Sandy Hook, guess how many kids he killed?

You're willing to allow guns, because knives would do the same damage?
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Texas is above average in terms in gun violence...not that there is any truth in your post that we are "stocking up" here smh


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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...8-Of-50-States

Gun sales jumped dramatically after the Sandy Hook massacre: the top five increases in December were Georgia at 66.3%, Oregon, 63.1%, New Hampshire, 60.7%, Texas, 60.2%, and Montana, 58.3%.
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hmm, well according to that the entire nation is "stocking up"...

but still, Texas is one of the better states in terms of gun violence...
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They are going to have their little gun control circle jerk regardless of the facts, stats or common sense. Comparing a gorilla to an inanimate object and posting it like it's funny or something That isn't even quality satire.

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Old 01-23-2013, 07:14 PM   #66
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And then we'll see a rise in other violent crime weapons, like knifes, or something. It's the people, not the guns

Will we?

Why?

Even if it does, it would likely lead to fewer deaths. Is this not a good thing?

"People are crappy, so we shouldn't bother doing anything". Solid argument right there.

I think I've yet to see a solid, sensible argument against why there shouldn't be more restrictions on who can get guns, background checks, where you can buy them and why there shouldn't be heavier penalties/heavier enforcement of current penalties for misuse of those guns.
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Gun crime continues to decrease, despite increase in gun sales








many people don't know that violence and gun related crime in general has been on a steep decline since 1991...all these school shootings have us freaking out and demanding new laws, but the truth is these shootings are a very tiny piece of the bigger picture...and the big picture is that we are doing much better as a nation in terms of gun violence, and we have been doing better for a very long time now...around 23 years
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http://www.dailypaul.com/246750/texa...bamas-2nd-term

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...8-Of-50-States

Gun sales jumped dramatically after the Sandy Hook massacre: the top five increases in December were Georgia at 66.3%, Oregon, 63.1%, New Hampshire, 60.7%, Texas, 60.2%, and Montana, 58.3%.
Maybe they trying to make money. You know gun prices will be shootin up so buy em cheap.
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Gun crime continues to decrease, despite increase in gun sales








many people don't know that violence and gun related crime in general has been on a steep decline since 1991...all these school shootings have us freaking out and demanding new laws, but the truth is these shootings are a very tiny piece of the bigger picture...and the big picture is that we are doing much better as a nation in terms of gun violence, and we have been doing better for a very long time now...around 23 years

Matches this:



The declining violent crime rate looks directly linked to lowered potential for lead poisoning as children due to exposure from the fumes of leaded gasoline vehicles.
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not sure what that means, is it sarcasm to say that correlation =/= causation?

I was just pointing out that gun violence has been on the DECLINE for years and years now...but these school shootings would have us thinking otherwise
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not sure what that means, is it sarcasm to say that correlation =/= causation?

I was just pointing out that gun violence has been on the DECLINE for years and years now...but these school shootings would have us thinking otherwise

There's a lot more than that one graph, if you're interested.

http://www.motherjones.com/environme...-link-gasoline

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/scienc...cle3652132.ece

"Exposure to lead during childhood increases the likelihood of being arrested for violent crime -- and is linked to decreased volume in regions of the brain associated with judgment and problem solving, according to two new studies.
Numerous earlier studies have found relationships between lead exposures and behavioral problems in children, including aggression, antisocial behavior, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and juvenile delinquency.

Last year Jessica Wolpaw Reyes of Amherst College in Amherst, Mass., published a report showing that the U.S. phase-out of leaded gasoline in the late 1970s could explain much of the decline in crime seen from 1992 to 2002, as children exposed to less lead became adults.

By accounting for confounding variables and considering results state-by-state where the phase-out happened at different times, Wolpaw Reyes calculated that for every 10 percent decline in grams of lead per gallon gasoline, violent crime rates decreased by 7.9 percent."

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/0...ent-crime.html
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