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Old 01-22-2013, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default Is healthcare a collective problem?

If it is a collective problem, can the government tell you what to put in your body or how to live healthy? If one wants to keep their personal freedoms, he or she must have personal responsibility to keep the system solvent. Right now, our tax money is relieving unhealthy people of their unhealthy lifestyles and personal responsibility.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:51 PM   #2
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If it is a collective problem, can the government tell you what to put in your body or how to live healthy? If one wants to keep their personal freedoms, he or she must have personal responsibility to keep the system solvent. Right now, our tax money is relieving unhealthy people of their unhealthy lifestyles and personal responsibility.

Actually something like 30% of healthcare spending is spending on patients who are in the last year of their life. A situation we are all going to be in at some point.

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Old 01-22-2013, 02:55 PM   #3
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Actually something like 30% of healthcare spending is spending on patients who are in the last year of their life. A situation we are all going to be in at some point.
Thanks for not staying on the main point of this thread.
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Thanks for not staying on the main point of this thread.

Actually, it was pointing that the main point of the thread might be based on a faulty premise and that this doesn't adequately capture the complexity of the issue.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:02 PM   #5
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Actually, it was pointing that the main point of the thread might be based on a faulty premise and that this doesn't adequately capture the complexity of the issue.
What? Are you denying that there are unhealthy people making poor life decisions receiving healthcare?
The main point of this thread is does the government have the right to instate regulations affecting public health if healthcare is a collective problem? Also, discussion on personal freedom and personal responsibility.
Also nice edit. "Bulk"
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:25 PM   #6
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What? Are you denying that there are unhealthy people making poor life decisions receiving healthcare?
The main point of this thread is does the government have the right to instate regulations affecting public health if healthcare is a collective problem? Also, discussion on personal freedom and personal responsibility.
Also nice edit. "Bulk"

Healthcare is a collective problem.

Newsflash, every single government spends on healthcare.

The government has long had the right to regulate anything that deals with interstate commerce, including health insurance.

Eliminating medicaid won't eliminate poor fat people living off of government money.

Forcing people to pay their own way will just result in millions of people going bankrupt and discharging their medical debt.
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Healthcare is a collective problem.

Newsflash, every single government spends on healthcare.

The government has long had the right to regulate anything that deals with interstate commerce, including health insurance.


Eliminating medicaid won't eliminate poor fat people living off of government money.

Forcing people to pay their own way will just result in millions of people going bankrupt and discharging their medical debt.
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Healthcare is a collective problem.

Newsflash, every single government spends on healthcare.

The government has long had the right to regulate anything that deals with interstate commerce, including health insurance.

Eliminating medicaid won't eliminate poor fat people living off of government money.

Forcing people to pay their own way will just result in millions of people going bankrupt and discharging their medical debt.

That's not his question at all. He's saying, if we are assuming healthcare is a collective problem, what are we supposed to do about people who knowingly and willingly live unhealthy lifestyles that lead to them having greater health costs.
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That's not his question at all. He's saying, if we are assuming healthcare is a collective problem, what are we supposed to do about people who knowingly and willingly live unhealthy lifestyles that lead to them having greater health costs.


what i'm saying, is that no matter what a government does or does not do, there will always be a class of people within a society that will be parasites. Countries with 0 social programs have villages and towns of slums with people dying on the streets. Countries with social programs don't have people dying in gutters, but they have people out there abusing the system.
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That's not his question at all. He's saying, if we are assuming healthcare is a collective problem, what are we supposed to do about people who knowingly and willingly live unhealthy lifestyles that lead to them having greater health costs.
Charge an arm and a leg like all other forms of insurance. If you choose to own a Ferrari, then youre gonna have higher insurance rates than a person that own a mini van
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:34 PM   #11
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what i'm saying, is that no matter what a government does or does not do, there will always be a class of people within a society that will be parasites. Countries with 0 social programs have villages and towns of slums with people dying on the streets. Countries with social programs don't have people dying in gutters, but they have people out there abusing the system.
I disagrer with this. We do have people dying in the gutter. At a slow rate, but a bum with cancer will mot be able to get any kind if treatment for it.

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that's why 80% of all bankruptcies in the US are directly due to medical bills. Normal people can't afford healthcare on their own.
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I disagrer with this. We do have people dying in the gutter. At a slow rate, but a bumb with cancer will mot be able to get any kind if treatment for it.


pre obama care a person with cancer gets dumped by their insurance provider and dies anyways.
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what i'm saying, is that no matter what a government does or does not do, there will always be a class of people within a society that will be parasites. Countries with 0 social programs have villages and towns of slums with people dying on the streets. Countries with social programs don't have people dying in gutters, but they have people out there abusing the system.
This has zero relevance to my thread.
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that's why 80% of all bankruptcies in the US are directly due to medical bills. Normal people can't afford healthcare on their own.
This also has zero relevance to my thread.
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Yes. A healthy society is a more productive society, and benefits everyone.
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