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Old 01-23-2013, 02:43 AM   #16
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based off of a single game that didn't involve the clippers starting backcourt? jesus
No. Based on every game I've seen them play this year.

Rather, I'm making this point *in light of* a team that is very opposite of the Clippers, the Thunder. Who have a 7-man roster and *nothing* else and are *perfectly* constructed. And who will make the Finals this year and the Clippers won't no matter how healthy they are.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:43 AM   #17
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Default Re: The Clippers need to make a trade.

I thought the best player in the conference is CP3, what am I missing?
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:46 AM   #18
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Default Re: The Clippers need to make a trade.

I'm half serious/joking with this trade, but they should make a run at DMC.

1. Griffin/Cousins frontcourt would be ****ing hilarious considering they hate eachother.

2. Cousins has that wet midrange game, and CP3 has clearly missed David West's automatic jumper.

Problem is, I'm not sure the clippers have much to give the kings/sonics. But personally I think OP is right. They have a ton of pieces but come playoff time, the rotations will be shortened and the depth won't mean as much. Unless the clippers rape somebody in a trade, OKC will be back in the finals.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:49 AM   #19
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Default Re: The Clippers need to make a trade.

I don't see why they would. If you are basing it on tonight, which appears that you are, then I don't think it's a good judgment. They did play without CP3 (their best player), which the offense does look better with. What you saw is what the Clips would look if CP3 were not there and Griffin was the best player on the team.

Why should the Thunder lose to the Clippers without CP3? That's not a fair assessment imo. Just like how the Clippers shouldn't lose to the Thunder if Durant is not there.

What you describe just seems like they have a lot of trade assets. But you still don't want to mess up the chemistry that they have going on.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:50 AM   #20
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I'm half serious/joking with this trade, but they should make a run at DMC.

1. Griffin/Cousins frontcourt would be ****ing hilarious considering they hate eachother.

2. Cousins has that wet midrange game, and CP3 has clearly missed David West's automatic jumper.


No he doesn't in a year or two he will, the problem with Cousins while he does have great touch for a big man, he doesn't have good rythme on his jumpshots most the time and thats why he bricks a lot of mid range shots. In the next few offseasons once he works on his mid range he will be a above average/elite midrange shooter. I can't see the Clippers getting Cousins anyway in particular with his last 15-17 games where he has been going beast mode without playing at his full potential.

But to the thread, do the Clippers want anything outside of Cousins/Evans for Butler/Bledsoe on the Kings? Thornton, Jimmer, James Johnson, Hayes, Brooks, T-Rob, Salmons and Thomas does anything look even remotely interesting?
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:51 AM   #21
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Watching them play OKC made this very clear. They have so many pieces, but too many, and not the right ones.

Here is what OKC has:

-The best player in the conference
-A top ten player
-A good off-ball perimeter scorer off the bench
-A good off-ball big man scorer and defensive anchor
-A long perimeter defensive specialist who can hit an open 3
-Two big men who play good defense and know their place

And that's it. Nobody else on that team is significant at that point, and everyone knows it, and that's okay, because it's about having the right players, not the most good ones. I don't know if I can think of a team that's better put together than the Thunder since I've been an NBA fan.

The Clippers are so stacked, but who fears them? It's because they don't have the right pieces. Take their backcourt. A Paul/Billups/Butler backcourt makes no sense. These are 3 players who all have no length and score the exact same way, and none of them can do anything meaningful off-ball. Might as well lump Hill in with those 3. Hill, Billups, and Paul are all players every team would love to have but they're redundant.

Now take Odom. I've always been a big Odom fan, but he does the same thing for you that Blake Griffin does. Great touch inside, great handles and good passing for a big man. So for this team no matter how good Odom gets all he can really be is a rebounding specialist, and you want your rebounding specialist to be someone who doesn't have mental problems, but instead who can intimidate and knock people around.

Jamal Crawford. Talented player. But he's the only player on the roster who can create his own shot other than Paul. After a dreamy start to the season, he's back down to 42%, where he always has been and always will be. He's inefficient and undependable. He is neither a 4-quarter go-to offensive option, nor the guy you go to for the last shot (Paul is). So what is he? He is a spark off the bench from the perimeter. Sweet - that's good to have. But so is Eric Bledsoe. Crawford is clutch - but so you're telling me you're not putting Finals MVP Billups out there in the last 2 minutes?

I think this team's one trade away from being *serious* contenders, who are actually right at the top of the world with OKC and the Heat. As it stands now it's simply a big glob of likeable and high-character talent.

However, I don't know what that trade is. But the problem remains that when a game is tight and close, you have your 5 guys versus the other team's 5 guys, and LAC's starting lineup minus Paul is indistinguishable from their bench - which says a lot about their bench and little about their starting lineup. Is there anyone out there who could serve as an upgrade? LAC has a bunch of players that plenty of teams would want.

Stopped reading after the bolded to say wait until the Knicks get healthy.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:52 AM   #22
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Only an idiot would say OKC shouldn't be favored for the western conference finals. They are the defending western conference champs and haven't lost a step it seems. That being said it's equally stupid to suggest that if you aren't built like them, you have no chance at the finals. The Clippers beat OKC in the season series 3-1 last year and people said it meant nothing. Now OKC is up 2-0 and I remind you of that same mentality.

Both times we've played OKC we are coming off a road game B2B with banged up, missing rotation players while OKC has been 100 percent healthy both times and didn't play the day before. It's not an excuse, but a valid point. Billups and Hill were out game 1 and CP3 had the worst game of his career as the Clippers lost in OT on the road to OKC.

This time CP3+Billups were out and the Clippers just happened to play terrible defense and let OKC drain 10 threes in the second half. Not to mention Bledsoe and Crawford who were supposed to pick up the CP3 load combined for 11-31 shooting. Nothing about these two games means anything long term between the teams OP.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:56 AM   #23
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Default Re: The Clippers need to make a trade.

OP going to ignore Chris Paul and Chauncey out?
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:56 AM   #24
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Free Bledsoe!
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:58 AM   #25
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I thought the best player in the conference is CP3, what am I missing?
I probably rate Paul higher than anyone on this board - in the league now, and historically.

But this team, likeable as it is, as smooth as the regular season sailing will be, is a nightmare for players like Paul. When you're a championship-minded great PG, you want players who will defend, players who will hit shots, and players who will run the pick and roll with you. Paul has none of that. What does he have? A sloppy, inefficient shake-and-bake one on one guy, a PF who acts like Lebron but doesn't really pull it off, a bunch of ancient legends who you feel bad taking the last shot when they're on the roster, Caron Butler who is the ultimate nondescript good at everything, great at nothing player which you *never* see prominently featured on rosters of great teams... and Matt Barnes. Who is the only guy on the roster I'd call a "right piece."

I'm not saying blow the whole thing up, or anything. Griffin, though not the "right" player to pair with a Chris Paul, is an amazing talent and a great player who will continue to improve.

But this team needs to make a deal... other than various Mavericks rosters over the years, I've never seen a greater group of guys get thrown together on the same roster and have it amount to so little.

Even Blake Griffin, who I just think is awesome, is best paired with a PG like Kyrie Irving, not a Chris Paul. Chris is dying for someone to pick and roll with. The only one he's ever had was David West, who is average as average can be; and when he played with Paul he looked like Karl Malone. Please someone make everything right with the world.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:03 AM   #26
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Would the Clippers do Jason Thompson (decent mid range shooter) and Jimmer Ferdette/Aaron Brooks for Bledsoe and Butler or is that far to big a rape?

With JT being gone it opens mins for T-Rob and Butler fills the SF we badly need and Bledsoe is the PG of the future who can play off the ball with Tyreke being the main ball handler much like he already did in college with him, Wall and Cousins.

The Clippers got a solid PF/ fill in C who can shoot/finish around the rim open the lane up more for Blake, plays within himself and Jimmer who on a team where hes an after thought could provide some nice shooting. Or Brooks who can push the pace and stroke it.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:05 AM   #27
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I think the Clippers are fine. A longer better shooting starting sg would help though.

What you saw tonight was a Clippers team without their leader and the best guy in the league at creating for others, its Paul that makes Butler, DJ, Green and Barnes legit threats. For all his talent, Bledsoe simply cannot create, outside of crashing through the lane and kicking out.

Clipps fans should walk away happy with the knoweledge that Blake can crap all over the OKC frontcourt, when Paul gets back, all of a sudden the other guys are half decent.

the only issue they have is Durant, but i dont think there is a team in the league that doesnt have the same problem.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:08 AM   #28
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I think the Clippers are fine. A longer better shooting starting sg would help though.

What you saw tonight was a Clippers team without their leader and the best guy in the league at creating for others, its Paul that makes Butler, DJ, Green and Barnes legit threats. For all his talent, Bledsoe simply cannot create, outside of crashing through the lane and kicking out.

Clipps fans should walk away happy with the knoweledge that Blake can crap all over the OKC frontcourt, when Paul gets back, all of a sudden the other guys are half decent.

the only issue they have is Durant, but i dont think there is a team in the league that doesnt have the same problem.

Good post. I always thought I'd be happy to let Bledsoe develop a bit while CP3 rests but games like this prove he's not quite 100 percent ready to have his own team. He dominated last week when CP3 sat but today he looked like a terrible PG. I also agree that Durant is EVERYBODY's problem, not just the Clippers.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:08 AM   #29
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Default Re: The Clippers need to make a trade.

How can any basketball fan want DeAndre Jordan traded from the Clippers? That'd be the most unfortunate development in entertainment since the disintegration of the run-and-gun Suns.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:10 AM   #30
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That being said it's equally stupid to suggest that if you aren't built like them, you have no chance at the finals.
You don't have to be built like the Thunder; you have to be built well. Duncan's Spurs and Shaq's Lakers weren't built like the Thunder, but they were built well. (And built around superior players.) The achievement of the Thunder is they're able to play like this when their 2 top players are both one-on-one perimeter scorers. It's really quite amazing to achieve so much without a real post scorer or a point guard on the roster. It's because they're well constructed - around what they have.

Let's say Paul and Barnes and Griffin is what they have. They need to construct their roster around those players, not add high-character good players as many as they can get. You don't need Billups when you have Paul; you don't need Butler when you have Billups; you don't need Odom when you have Griffin; and you don't need Jamal Crawford for anything other than fleeting entertainment. (I should make a Willie Wonka meme that says, "So, you're going to beat the Thunder in the playoffs with Jamal Crawford as your go-to scorer?")
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