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Old 01-23-2013, 11:46 AM   #16
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Default Re: Put Michael Jordan at small forward on the Lakers. They win the championship?

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and the Giants won the super bowl with a 9-7 regular season record. SO WHAT?

Facts are facts. The Giants were the best team in the NFL that year, and Jordan took the Bulls from a LOTTERY team to playoff team by adding Jordan.

but the Giants won and the bulls got swept the year they went 30-52
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:47 AM   #17
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ok?

the topic was shot jacking, not FG%

Nobody will call players out for chucking when they shoot 50% as a SG.

When you shoot 45% as a 6'6 SG, it's shot jacking. Iverson shot 42% and he was 6'0, a known chucker.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:48 AM   #18
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the difference between 45 and 50 on 20fga is one make/miss

2 points per game separates the best team in the league from the tier below
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:48 AM   #19
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Default Re: Put Michael Jordan at small forward on the Lakers. They win the championship?

This was actually a real scenario after Jordan retired from the Bulls. He would join the Lakers to play SF next to Kobe. It never materialized, however.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:50 AM   #20
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Nobody will call players out for chucking when they shoot 50% as a SG.

When you shoot 45% as a 6'6 SG, it's shot jacking. Iverson shot 42% and he was 6'0, a known chucker.


so if somebody shoots 10 for 20 their not a chucker

but if somebody shoots 9 for 20 they are a chucker

got it.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:50 AM   #21
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but the Giants won and the bulls got swept the year they went 30-52

They didn't get swept by Milwaukee, no. They lost 3-1, which was Jordan's rookie year.

Not bad for a lottery team + Jordan.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:51 AM   #22
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2 points per game separates the best team in the league from the tier below
what?,this makes no sense
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:51 AM   #23
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so if somebody shoots 10 for 20 their not a chucker

but if somebody shoots 9 for 20 they are a chucker

got it.

One game not equal to whole career.


And this is Kobe's 2nd time missing the playoffs. This one especially is pretty funny, with all of this talent on the Lakers.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:54 AM   #24
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One game not equal to whole career.

good, that basketball games are decided by career numbers and not on a game to game basis
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:03 PM   #25
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so if somebody shoots 10 for 20 their not a chucker

but if somebody shoots 9 for 20 they are a chucker

got it.

Gotta use context.

Here are some telling stats (up 'till about '12, so it needs to be updated):

Regular season

Games with under 50% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 678

Games with under 46% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 578

Games with under 40% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 344

Games with under 35% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 207

Games with under 30% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 107

Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting:
MJ: 29
Kobe: 45

50 point games with under 45% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3


NBA Playoff runs

under 46% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 10
Michael Jordan: 3

under 44% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 6
Michael Jordan: 2

Bold is for emphasis ...
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:06 PM   #26
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Gotta use context.

Here are some telling stats (up 'till about '12, so it needs to be updated):

Regular season

Games with under 50% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 678

Games with under 46% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 578

Games with under 40% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 344

Games with under 35% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 207

Games with under 30% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 107

Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting:
MJ: 29
Kobe: 45

50 point games with under 45% shooting:
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3


NBA Playoff runs

under 46% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 10
Michael Jordan: 3

under 44% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 6
Michael Jordan: 2

Bold is for emphasis ...

DAMN son, make sure he's breathing before you leave him knocked out on the floor like that
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:07 PM   #27
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Default Re: Put Michael Jordan at small forward on the Lakers. They win the championship?

Jordan played in an era where Barkley shot 60% in a season, the Bad Boys allowed more PPG than the Don Nelson Mavericks.....get your "stats" out of here.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:12 PM   #28
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Jordan played in an era where Barkley shot 60% in a season, the Bad Boys allowed more PPG than the Don Nelson Mavericks.....get your "stats" out of here.

Right ...

Kobe averaged 10ppg on 37% shooting against the '98 Jazz (WCF) and 15ppg on 36% shooting against Reggie Miller's Pacers (Finals).
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:16 PM   #29
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Jordan's FG% = 50%

Kobe's FG% = 45%

Technically what you said is correct, but you have to put things into perspective/proper context. It should definitely be noted that in the 1980s and 1990s everyone shot a higher FG%


Since Chris Mullin in the early 90s, LeBron was the first perimeter player to average 25+ ppg on 50+%

Reggie Miller who was a jump shoter 98% of the time had 4 seasons shooting 50 FG%.

Drazen Petrovic had 2 seasons.

Jeff Hornacek had 5 seasons.

Even Ricky Pierce had 6 seasons shooting over 50 FG% from the field in the 80's/90s.

Those type of seasons in the mid 80s to early 90s happened all the time. List of other guys who accomplished that feat: Kiki Vandeweghe, Dantley, Mark Aguirre, Dale Ellis, Clyde Drexler, Chris Mullin, Alex English, Bernard King, Jordan, Bird, Gervin, Worthy, Stockton, Johnson, Dr. J, Thompson, Kelly Tripucka and a couple of others came close and I'm sure I am forgetting some names too (stopped happening around mid-late 90s when help defense improved, overall commitment to defense by teams was greater and also perimeter talent was crap) Now if you compare that to the last 15 years, it has been a rarity for a high scoring perimeter player to shoot 50+%. This isn't meant to belittle Jordan or any of the other players I named at all, but it was a different era and the fact of that matter is that the 80s/early 90s was a more wide open game with a lot less defense.

Purvis Short was putting up 26 ppg on near 50%, and I'm to think Kobe is going to have problems shooting a higher percentage than his usual 45-47% average in that era? Especially with him getting a million semi-transition looks all game long, with horrible help defense (which didn't improve until the Pistons showed how), amongst several other factors.

My second all-time favorite player (Magic) comes from that era, and I've had to stop watching games from back then because the defense was that bad. Like no one ever going 10 feet within guys shooting just because they wanted to get the ball ASAP to start a break. I will gladly upload random regular season games from late 80s and let you see for yourselves.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:17 PM   #30
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Default Re: Put Michael Jordan at small forward on the Lakers. They win the championship?

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so if somebody shoots 10 for 20 their not a chucker

but if somebody shoots 9 for 20 they are a chucker

got it.


In that case, what's another extra shot? How bout 8 for 20?

1 extra shot made for every 20 does make a huge difference. It might even make a difference in each game, but over the long run that definitely adds up. Not only did Jordan shoot 5 percent better than Kobe, but he averaged an extra 5 points as well. AND.... his defense.
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