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Old 01-25-2013, 11:40 AM   #16
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key word. "vintage"
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:44 AM   #17
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Default Re: Vintage footage of Gawdbe lighting up King James in the clutch

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I can pull the injury card out also. Facts are that LeBron's teams have never had a problem with Kobe's teams.

and Kobe's teams never had a problem with the teams that gave Lebron's teams nightmares....when it mattered:



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Honestly this is how I remember the Kobe-Lebron matchups playing out, especially when Kobe was still in his prime. I felt like Kobe always got the better of Bron back then. And by that I mean on an individual basis when they would guard eachother most of the game.

On a side note, Lebron looked small as hell. Standing next to Kobe they almost look like they have the same physique with Bron having a couple inches over him. This was definitely the stage of his career where Bron was still a boy, and not the dominant much bigger man we all know today.

Great video.

It would be great to see both Kobe and Lebron in their primes going at each other.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:44 AM   #19
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I don't get why Lebron fans take threads like this directly to the heart. It's one game, during one regular season, that doesn't really matter anyway. Not sure why there is a needed reaction by Lebron fans to defend him in situations like this. Kobe was in his prime, and that's just the type of thing he did back then.

Retaliation videos make me laugh because it shows how personally you take it, when the point of the video was to show an awesome set of difficult shots by Kobe in his golden days, back when Bron was in his third season and still a boy.

Not just toward you, Silk, but to Lebron fans in general. You guys don't have to feel the need to defend your boy at every turn and every time it seems the topic of conversation isn't that Lebron is awesome.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:48 AM   #20
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It would be great to see both Kobe and Lebron in their primes going at each other.

The Finals that never was. Would have shaken the basketball world if that was the case. It would have been great if at some point they played in the same conference to give us more of the matchup to begin with. The 2 games a year (which were at times the victim of injuries to the two guys as someone said earlier in this thread) really wasn't enough to satisfy some of us NBA fans. But atleast there were some great games with fantastic finishes like the videos posted in this thread portray.
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and Kobe's teams have never had a problem with the teams that gave Lebron's teams nightmares....when it mattered:


Except Lebron actually beat Detroit and his team played Dallas better. Kobe is 1-1 against Boston. Lebron is 2-2 against Boston with way better stats. Without any 39 point blow outs either. Kobe played San Antonio better and his team beat Orlando. Congrats on Kobe for having the most stacked frontcourt in the league
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^ Correction: Lebron is 0-2 against the Celtics. Heat are 2-0 against Celtics.
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^ Correction: Lebron is 0-2 against the Celtics. Heat are 2-0 against Celtics.


So the playoff series only count if LeBron is playing with Cleveland scurbs? Only Boston can have 3 hall of famers and stud PG in Rondo? I know you have an intense bias towards LeBron, but you really need to get a grip.
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So the playoff series only count if LeBron is playing with Cleveland scurbs? Only Boston can have 3 hall of famers and stud PG in Rondo? I know you have an intense bias towards LeBron, but you really need to get a grip.

No. But you just said the same thing regarding Kobe having Pau and Bynum, did you not? Just evening the playing field in regards to the argument you are making.

Also let's not act like Rondo was what he is today on those early Celtic teams.

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No. But you just said thing regarding Kobe having Pau and Bynum, did you not? Just evening the playing field in regards to the argument you are making.

Also let's not act like Rondo was what he is today on those early Celtic teams.


In 08 he (Rondo) was a role player. In 2010 he was stud. If Magic wants credit for the Lakers beating Orlando, he has it. But lets not act like LeBron was at a disadvantage compared to Kobe at time when it came to teammates. The fact is Lebron/Kobe both have a 50% record against Boston in the playoffs. With Lebron's stats being superior.
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In 08 he (Rondo) was a role player. In 2010 he was stud. If Magic wants credit for the Lakers beating Orlando, he has it. But lets not act like LeBron was at a disadvantage compared to Kobe at time when it came to teammates. The fact is Lebron/Kobe both have a 50% record against Boston in the playoffs. With Lebron's stats being superior.

Now your just trying to turn the conversation a different direction. My main point was that you discredited Kobe's wins over Orlando and Boston in the Finals because he had Pau and Bynum, then when I turned around and said Lebron was 0-2 against Boston with Cleveland but 2-0 against Boston with the Heat (stacked with superstars Wade and Bosh) you gave me crap.

See how hypocritical you can be?
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Congrats on Kobe for having the most stacked frontcourt in the league

Kobe's range is what made the Lakers length especially successful. Otherwise teams could just clog the paint.

But honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 or 2 guards that were on Kobe's level (Wade/healthy CP3.) The Lakers front-court is overrated by Kobe detractors who try to diminish him. This "amazing" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how people bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers for the 3 straight Finals and back-to-back championships, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Reg season: Only played 35 games.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Reg season:Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3 (). Lakers still win Championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7 (). Lakers win Championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith + Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard + Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap + Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace + Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge + Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen + Kobe
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood + Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng + Kobe

And that's just off the type of my head.


Keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6/2 46 FG% 57 TS% in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG


Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season:34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

(Yeah, Kobe can't win with that! What an astronomical difference!)


Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier:39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

(What's that? Another front-line that's better? Kobe is doomed!)


Orlando: Howard/Rashard/Gortat:36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

(Another better front-court.)


Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng:41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

(No doubt Kobe will struggle with a front-court that puts up better numbers across the board LMAO.)

That's at least 5 teams that could have replaced LA's front-court and still expect a ring. No SG in the NBA could replace Kobe except perhaps wade. the Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find.

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and his team played Dallas better.
Lebron didn't though.

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Kobe is 1-1 against Boston. Lebron is 2-2 against Boston with way better stats.

Lebron had to wait until he was on a stacked team and the big three were old.


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The Finals that never was. Would have shaken the basketball world if that was the case. It would have been great if at some point they played in the same conference to give us more of the matchup to begin with. The 2 games a year (which were at times the victim of injuries to the two guys as someone said earlier in this thread) really wasn't enough to satisfy some of us NBA fans. But atleast there were some great games with fantastic finishes like the videos posted in this thread portray.

We also got a glimpse at what it could have been with Kobe and Lebron in the Team USA Scrimmage.

They went at each other pretty hard, but Kobe was already declining athletically back then and Lebron wasn't in his prime yet.

Probably the closest thing we'll see to a matchup of them in their primes.
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The Finals that never was. Would have shaken the basketball world if that was the case. It would have been great if at some point they played in the same conference to give us more of the matchup to begin with. The 2 games a year (which were at times the victim of injuries to the two guys as someone said earlier in this thread) really wasn't enough to satisfy some of us NBA fans. But atleast there were some great games with fantastic finishes like the videos posted in this thread portray.
Why do you think Lebronze is always staying in the weak east? He's afraid of having to go up against Gawdbe, Duncan and Durant in the playoffs.
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