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Old 01-25-2013, 09:20 PM   #16
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

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i love how people suggest magic as being one of the most complete players ever... we arent just talking one side of the ball...

the only people in the discussion are james, jordan and bird

and Oscar.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:25 PM   #17
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and Oscar.

Yup, probably UP there with the Big O
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:25 PM   #18
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Why not...?

At 6'9-260:

*Probably the best combination of size/speed/strengh/quickness/agility/stamina etc. ever
*PG skills (ballhandling/passing) only Magic had at that size and over
*Can guard basically all positions like only Scottie Pippen could.
*Can play basically all positions like only Magic Johnson could.
*Is arguably because of above the most versatile player ever overall.
*Can score with the best ever, all-time great volume scoring to efficiency ratio from the perimeter, scoring arsenal, good shooter (except from the FT line) and everything...
*Can rebound, can give you 10 a game if he wanted, same goes with assists...
*Fantastic bball IQ, leadership, intangibles etc.

The only "weakness" is his FT accuracy (75%).... except for that he is pretty much as close to "most complete" a player could realistically ever get....

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Old 01-25-2013, 09:27 PM   #19
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

No really... very thoroughly trying to be as reasonable, logical and factual here... The only other guys that deserve an argument here is Oscar Robertson & Michael Jordan... maybe Larry Bird aswell..

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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

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Straight up....

Larry Bird

Magic Johnson

Michael Jordan

Oscar Robertson

Hakeem Olaijuwon

David Robinson

Scottie Pippen

etc.....etc....etc.....etc.....etc...
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:30 PM   #21
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

Yeah, he is. As I argue in other post, he frequently plays 1-4 offensively and defensively in this year often. He does guard centers on occasion as well. Nobody has moved around as frequently as he has - except maybe KG in Minny??? Now that he is posting up he can play everywhere on the court. Now that the center position is horrible, Lebron legitimately can dominate every position. He would go around every center without problem, and he could affect the best center in the game with his defense.

To me the most versatile all over the court were Baylor, Magic, Bird, KG, Big O and Pippen. None of them could dominate at every position. Handle, Power, Speed, Skill, Touch, Coordination, Vision, Lateral movement, Quickness, Shooting, Anticipation, Judgement, etc. Yeah, not only is Lebron the most versatile but in practicality he actualizes it much more than other players ever did if you break it down to ten positions.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:35 PM   #22
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

I guess that depends on what that term means to you. I see it as one of the all time greats with the least weaknesses.

Of the player's I've seen, Jordan is the most complete. He was good to great at almost every aspect of basketball.

Mid range scoring
Long range scoring
fast break scoring
posting up
slashing

finishing at the rim
catching and shooting
free throw shooting
off ball offense

screen setting
half court passing
fast break passing

offensive awareness
playmaking
offensive rebounding
defensive rebounding
boxing out
ball handling
shot blocking
stealing
defensive awareness
on ball perimeter defense
off ball perimeter defense

on ball post defense
off ball post defense
help defense

Red I'd give to Jordan, Blue I'd give to Lebron, Black is too close to call. That's just the way I see it though. I think a lot of people take that statement to mean the best overall at the big four: scoring, rebounding, passing, and defense. By that definition, Lebron and Bird would probably be at the top of my list.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:44 PM   #23
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

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Why not...?

At 6'9-260:

*Probably the best combination of size/speed/strengh/quickness/agility/stamina etc. ever
*PG skills (ballhandling/passing) only Magic had at that size and over
*Can guard basically all positions like only Scottie Pippen could.
*Can play basically all positions like only Magic Johnson could.
*Is arguably because of above the most versatile player ever overall.
*Can score with the best ever, all-time great volume scoring to efficiency ratio from the perimeter, scoring arsenal, good shooter (except from the FT line) and everything...
*Can rebound, can give you 10 a game if he wanted, same goes with assists...
*Fantastic bball IQ, leadership, intangibles etc.

The only "weakness" is his FT accuracy (75%).... except for that he is pretty much as close to "most complete" a player could realistically ever get....


6ft 8 with shoes on
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:44 PM   #24
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scoring arsenal.


Dude has two moves drive or shoot
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:45 PM   #25
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

His athleticism is crazy, we'll see in a few years as he ages if he can have a well rounded game.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:45 PM   #26
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

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Larry Bird

Magic Johnson

Michael Jordan

Oscar Robertson

Hakeem Olaijuwon

David Robinson

Scottie Pippen

etc.....etc....etc.....etc.....etc...
What do you think about kobe man?
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:47 PM   #27
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

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I guess that depends on what that term means to you. I see it as one of the all time greats with the least weaknesses.

Of the player's I've seen, Jordan is the most complete. He was good to great at almost every aspect of basketball.

Mid range scoring
Long range scoring
fast break scoring
posting up
slashing

finishing at the rim
catching and shooting
free throw shooting
off ball offense

screen setting
half court passing
fast break passing

offensive awareness
playmaking
offensive rebounding
defensive rebounding
boxing out
ball handling
shot blocking
stealing
defensive awareness
on ball perimeter defense
off ball perimeter defense

on ball post defense
off ball post defense
help defense

Red I'd give to Jordan, Blue I'd give to Lebron, Black is too close to call. That's just the way I see it though. I think a lot of people take that statement to mean the best overall at the big four: scoring, rebounding, passing, and defense. By that definition, Lebron and Bird would probably be at the top of my list.

Yeah man, lol. That's what I broke it down into.

You just damn near broke it down into as much detail as their NBA 2K attributes
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:49 PM   #28
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What do you think about kobe man?

I love Kobe, but...come on.
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Yeah man, lol. That's what I broke it down into.

You just damn near broke it down into as much detail as their NBA 2K attributes

I've never played the NBA 2K game. I was just listing everything I could think of at the time. I probably missed a few things.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:57 PM   #30
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only thing is such a shame that he has no courage, and loves to team up with stellar teammates to boost his own chances.
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