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Old 01-25-2013, 10:01 PM   #31
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Nah. MJ overall wins, but we're not talking overall, we're talking about someone who is very good in all things.

MJ:

Scoring: 10
Man on man defense: 10
Overall defense: 9.5
Passing: 7.5
Rebounding:7.5


Lebron gets at least 8.5 in all categories. Not many people would.

Lebron:

Scoring: 9
Man on Man defense: 8.5
Overall defense: 9
Passing: 9.5
Rebounding: 8.5



Bird might as well...idk, that was before my time.

Maybe Prime Grant Hill as well...but i don't know...his defense was weak, he was a better defender in Phoenix 3 yrs ago than he was in his prime.

Scottie Pippen probably makes at least 8.5 in all categories too.

if bron is 9 in scoring than jordan is 12

there is a huge difference between those 2 in terms of scoring ability.
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:04 PM   #32
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if bron is 9 in scoring than jordan is 12

there is a huge difference between those 2 in terms of scoring ability.

I'd say the difference in scoring between the two is about the same as the difference in passing.
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:11 PM   #33
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Nope.
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:13 PM   #34
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:38 PM   #35
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No really... very thoroughly trying to be as reasonable, logical and factual here... The only other guys that deserve an argument here is Oscar Robertson & Michael Jordan... maybe Larry Bird aswell..

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Old 01-26-2013, 05:39 PM   #36
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Kevin Garnett.



Bunch of noobs in here that forgot how well rounded KG was in his prime. The man is 50 years old, and still putting it down, minus his knees.

KG's defensive impact >>>>>> LBJ. Of course, I'm talking prime KG.

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Old 01-26-2013, 05:57 PM   #37
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Default Re: Is LeBron the most complete player the game has ever seen?

It's definitely not clear-cut, but he has a case...the other contenders:

Bird
West
Magic (underrated defender...he's was able to body up smaller guards and slower forwards, and picked up a lot of steals)
Robertson (defense is probably a weakness)
Jordan (great rebounder for his position; he also played PG for a while and shined)
Erving (another underrated defender, but it wasn't the strongest part of his game)
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Pippen
Grant Hill

I don't think we can include bigs if ball-handling is a criteria.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:07 PM   #38
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Larry Bird

Magic Johnson

Michael Jordan

Oscar Robertson

Hakeem Olaijuwon

David Robinson

Scottie Pippen

etc.....etc....etc.....etc.....etc...


Pip has never been anywhere NEAR close to being as clutch as Lebron has during his career. Lebron also led 2 separate teams to the finals, something Pip never did.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:10 PM   #39
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Pip has never been anywhere NEAR close to being as clutch as Lebron has during his career. Lebron also led 2 separate teams to the finals, something Pip never did.
This has literally nothing to do with the ops thread.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:16 PM   #40
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Jordan, LeBron, Kobe and maybe Pippen are the most complete players I've ever seen.

All could shoot, score, post up, footwork, pass (when they want, Kobe) ...

But what separates these guys, their defensive impact. They were equally dominant on the other end of the floor.

So in terms of being a "complete" player, these guys take the cake, from what I've seen.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:46 PM   #41
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short answer - yes, he is. It's not arguable either
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:16 PM   #42
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It's pretty cool watching the NBA right now eh?
Future GOAT in Durant and Future TOP 3 player in Lebron playing every other night.
Naw , i'm just exaggerating but still with Lebron we might have somebody going into top 5 all time which is pretty great to argue , i'm sure in the future there are going to be excellent threads about that ,think about it of the players who's legacies are pretty much set at the moment you can't really make an argument for them to be in the top 5 , i'm talking about Duncan and Kobe you could probably make a case for these to to be as high as 7 if you really tried ,but Lebron and Durant both have a chance to go higher if their careers continue on the pace some of their supporters on this forum project them to go.
As for Lebron being the most complete player ever , it's so hard to tell because you have to take into account the supporting cast he has and the only way you could fairy judge that would be if you gave the other guys in the conversation the same and see what they can do with it.
We never saw this Lebron in Cleveland and we just can't say for sure if this maturation was inevitable or if it is a by product of teaming up with Wade and Bosh.
What we can probably say for sure is that Lebron is the most gifted player at his position/size though if we were talking most gifted at any size Shaq just seems to be more[if you had all the players ever at age 20 and had no additional information about how their career would play out you take Shaq at #1].
He is a great passer though probably not quite Magic Johnson level ,but the edge he has over him on defensive end and his freakish athleticism just might be enough to put him over Magic in this regard only thing i can point out Lebron might be lacking are some signature clutch shots which lead to championships , if you want to put somebody over Jordan he needs to have highlights where he wins a ring with the last shot , MJ simply set the bar that high.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:21 PM   #43
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pippen, kg, jordan, grant hill

heck i'd even say paul pierce but he's not as athletic as lebron.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:23 PM   #44
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His skills in the post still leave much to be desired.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:29 PM   #45
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Probably David Robinson TBH

Elite scorer, rebounder, defender, passer(for his position), and probably the greatest ball handler at the center position in history.

And @ LeBron being 6'9. I guess he'll be 6'10 next year. If he's 6'9, then Durant is over 7'
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