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Old 01-27-2013, 05:33 AM   #16
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Default Re: Lebron vs Jordan, who's better athletically?

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Pound for pound is always going to go to lighter athletes. Its the way of the world. Shorter limbs, less work, less distance to use energy over.
Its an argument over who is the better athlete... You're not going to claim Jordan was stronger than Shaq when it comes to a one vs one debate in comparing an athlete, and it won't make a difference in this one either.

Bolts turnover rate is actually alarmingly ahead of everyone for such a short distance. 41 steps to 46 for Yohan Blake.

You've been exposed before for it, yet you love to chime in on debates where you have little to no knowledge. You read one bit of information on something, or in some cases none, and act like you know everything on the subject. Several posters have shown you up on it before.

Backpedalling I see.

Prove the later, nobody's perfect everybody makes mistakes. YOU on the other hand think you know everything when you don't.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:54 AM   #17
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Default Re: Lebron vs Jordan, who's better athletically?

It is Lebron.


Pure end to end speed
Lebron 10
Jordan 9

Speed while dribbling the ball - Lebron
Lebron 10
Jordan 8.5

One foot jumping ability (with the ball, i.e going off one foot for the dunk or block)
Lebron 10
Jordan 8.5

Two foot jumping ability
Lebron 9
Jordan 10

First step quickness no dribble
Lebron 8
Jordan 10

First step quickness using the dribble
Lebron 9
Jordan 9

Side to side quickness
Lebron 8.5
Jordan 10

Pure strength (in having the strength to guard anyone on the floor)
Lebron 9.5
Jordan 9

Strength finishing at the basket while taking contact (i.e and 1's)
Lebron 10
Jordan 9.5

Endurance (neither gets tired during games)
Lebron 10
Jordan 10

Hand size
Lebron 10
Jordan 10

Agility (i.e not running into people and being able to go around people/finding the seams)
Lebron 10
Jordan 10

Total package of using their physical abilities (everything combination)
Lebron 10
Jordan 9.5

Overall
Lebron average: 9.538 (124 total points/13 categories)
Jordan average: 9.462 (123 total points/13 categories)


The one video that shows the absolute blistering speed that Lebron has. Unbelievable unheard of speed for someone his size in basketball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNaLIhzSYDI

compare that with this of Jordan (the best clip I could find)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-4UgoZwzjY

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Old 01-27-2013, 10:04 AM   #18
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Default Re: Lebron vs Jordan, who's better athletically?

Jordan easily

LeBron = Karl Malone
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:20 AM   #19
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Default Re: Lebron vs Jordan, who's better athletically?

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Ever heard of POUND FOR POUND idiot?

As far as speed, I was trying to draw the difference between turnover and ground being covered due to length. Bolt has a combination of high turnover rate and long strides the difference in turnover rate in that echelon is minimal, almost the same for the most part. That's all I did, was give a slight illustration asshole.

It seems as tho you're not the bright one and lack rational thinking ho.
This isn't. There are no weight classes. We're comparing the two players one on one and Lebron is clearly stronger because he's 60 pound heavier
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:41 AM   #20
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The statement that 265 lbs of muscle beats 205 lbs of muscle is not true necessarily. For example, a 265 lb bodybuilder can be weaker than a 200 lb power lifter. You don't have to lift that heavy to have a lot of muscle. So, it is not a foregone conclusion that Lebron is stronger than Jordan based on weight.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:44 AM   #21
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The statement that 265 lbs of muscle beats 205 lbs of muscle is not true necessarily. For example, a 265 lb bodybuilder can be weaker than a 200 lb power lifter. You don't have to lift that heavy to have a lot of muscle. So, it is not a foregone conclusion that Lebron is stronger than Jordan based on weight.
lol lebron is stronger than jordan, pound for pound is useless, if we go by that logic an ant is stronger than a human....
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:47 AM   #22
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Default Re: Lebron vs Jordan, who's better athletically?

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The statement that 265 lbs of muscle beats 205 lbs of muscle is not true necessarily. For example, a 265 lb bodybuilder can be weaker than a 200 lb power lifter. You don't have to lift that heavy to have a lot of muscle. So, it is not a foregone conclusion that Lebron is stronger than Jordan based on weight.

Yes, I'm sure Lebron trains for hypertrophy and not explosive movements strictly for basketball...

So yes, 265lbs of muscle shits on 205lbs of muscle.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:49 AM   #23
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LeBron and it's not really close.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:51 AM   #24
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I'll go with Lebron.

Bigger, stronger, seemingly higher top end speed, equal leaping ability. Jordan had a much quicker first step and was quicker overall, but I think Lebron is the correct choice here.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:54 AM   #25
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Yes, I'm sure Lebron trains for hypertrophy and not explosive movements strictly for basketball...

So yes, 265lbs of muscle shits on 205lbs of muscle.


I never said it wasn't likely that Lebron is stronger. I was merely trying to be logical, unlike you and my friend up there, making assumptions as though you are well acquainted with either of their training methods.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:57 AM   #26
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Jordan is the perfect build for a basketball player. Quickness, speed, wingspan, the size of his hands, leaping ability, strength, stamina, durability. People forget Jordan was no pushover, one of the strongest guards of his era next to Sidney Moncrief and Vinnie Johnson. As he aged he was still able to use his athleticism (to a lesser extent) and his strength, he put on extra muscle because it gave him and advantage against guards in the post.

That being said, LeBron is definitely a freak of nature and probably the strongest wing player ever, definitely harder to guard with a full head of steam than Jordan. But I think Jordan was a more well rounded athlete in general.

That's just imo. You can also make an argument for LeBron it just depends who values what athletic attributes more. Aside from leaping ability and brute strength, the stamina and durability Jordan had to play against double and sometimes triple teams every night and still go off is unparalleled.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:59 AM   #27
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Default Re: Lebron vs Jordan, who's better athletically?

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It is Lebron.


Pure end to end speed
Lebron 10
Jordan 9

Speed while dribbling the ball - Lebron
Lebron 10
Jordan 8.5

One foot jumping ability (with the ball, i.e going off one foot for the dunk or block)
Lebron 10
Jordan 8.5

Two foot jumping ability
Lebron 9
Jordan 10

First step quickness no dribble
Lebron 8
Jordan 10

First step quickness using the dribble
Lebron 9
Jordan 9

Side to side quickness
Lebron 8.5
Jordan 10

Pure strength (in having the strength to guard anyone on the floor)
Lebron 9.5
Jordan 9

Strength finishing at the basket while taking contact (i.e and 1's)
Lebron 10
Jordan 9.5

Endurance (neither gets tired during games)
Lebron 10
Jordan 10

Hand size
Lebron 10
Jordan 10

Agility (i.e not running into people and being able to go around people/finding the seams)
Lebron 10
Jordan 10

Total package of using their physical abilities (everything combination)
Lebron 10
Jordan 9.5

Overall
Lebron average: 9.538 (124 total points/13 categories)
Jordan average: 9.462 (123 total points/13 categories)


The one video that shows the absolute blistering speed that Lebron has. Unbelievable unheard of speed for someone his size in basketball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNaLIhzSYDI

compare that with this of Jordan (the best clip I could find)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-4UgoZwzjY
Are these just arbitrary numbers you just came up with yourself?
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:00 AM   #28
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Default Re: Lebron vs Jordan, who's better athletically?

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LeBron and it's not really close.

It's actually VERY close; Lebron is the better athlete though.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:04 AM   #29
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Jordan clearly beats Lebron in two foot leaping ability, quickness(not full court speed), first step....pretty close in other departments
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:11 AM   #30
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Default Re: Lebron vs Jordan, who's better athletically?

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I never said it wasn't likely that Lebron is stronger. I was merely trying to be logical, unlike you and my friend up there, making assumptions as though you are well acquainted with either of their training methods.

I can safely deduct that Lebron doesn't train for size and hypertrophy by the results he produces on the court. Also because he has the best trainers in the world around him, and they'd know better than to get him doing such training for his chosen sport.
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