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Old 01-29-2013, 06:44 PM   #16
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

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So vehicles and alcohol are weapons now? Cool. Should also include deaths by falling down stairs and deaths by electrical fires, you know just to be even more irrelevant.

Also those rifles aren't the same in that one is obviously holding more rounds. But also the graphic doesn't include bolt action rifles which are not the same (and more relevant than vehicles and alcohol...).
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:04 PM   #17
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Why do we keep comparing assault rifles to cars and fists?

There's so much logic fail here, I don't know if there's a good place to start.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:16 PM   #18
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

the image is showing other things to put things into perspective, obviously...

more people die by hands and feet and blunt objects (which can't be banned) than assault rifles...SO, maybe we shouldn't focus so heavily on assault rifles but instead handguns which kill significantly more people than hands and fists

OR...maybe we should focus on drunk driving which kills more than handguns...




it's basically showing the stupidity of putting all the focus on something that does such little damage overall

it also shows that there is basically little to no difference between an assault rifle and a regular rifle or pistol which can be shot at the same rate of fire...the public is so stupid they assume that just because it resembles a machine gun that it is one...NO these are not full auto rifles
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:32 PM   #19
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

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the image is showing other things to put things into perspective, obviously...

It isn't perspective. It is loaded. Why not include any other thing that causes death?

The argument they are implying is that if something else causes death and can be technically banned, then either everything should be banned or nothing should be banned.
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

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It isn't perspective. It is loaded. Why not include any other thing that causes death?

The argument they are implying is that if something else causes death and can be technically banned, then either everything should be banned or nothing should be banned.

Exactly.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:04 PM   #21
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

The lengths some Americans will go to rationalize their gun situation is hilarious. The entire world is laughing at you.

Not that you'll care, because f*ck the rest of the world, this is America!
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:05 PM   #22
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

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It isn't perspective. It is loaded. Why not include any other thing that causes death?

The argument they are implying is that if something else causes death and can be technically banned, then either everything should be banned or nothing should be banned.
I don't think that is what they are arguing at all...all the focus of that image is on assault rifles...

"THIS RIFLE is the same as...THIS RIFLE...and fires only one round per trigger like THIS"

the lowest death count on there is the assault rifle...

it isn't saying "ban everything that kills"...it is saying "hey look at how dumb we are for thinking assault rifles are our biggest problem, maybe we should focus on the bigger issues"
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:12 PM   #23
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

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I don't think that is what they are arguing at all...all the focus of that image is on assault rifles...

"THIS RIFLE is the same as...THIS RIFLE...and fires only one round per trigger like THIS"

the lowest death count on there is the assault rifle...

it isn't saying "ban everything that kills"...it is saying "hey look at how dumb we are for thinking assault rifles are our biggest problem, maybe we should focus on the bigger issues"

You are missing the larger argument. Think back to the debate in general and not this specific image. How many times have you heard automobile and alcohol related deaths being brought up? Both of these have nothing to do with gun violence, yet they are being used to indirectly justify current gun laws (or to promote even more lax gun laws).

The rifle comparison is only part of the image, but the subtext is the comparison between death caused by other things that have nothing to do with guns. Two wrongs don't make a right. It doesn't matter how many people cars and alcohol kill per year. That is a different debate - which means it shouldn't be brought up in this one (especially covertly because that is a manipulation tactic rather than a justifiable comparison).
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:14 PM   #24
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

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You are missing the larger argument. Think back to the debate in general and not this specific image. How many times have you heard automobile and alcohol related deaths being brought up? Both of these have nothing to do with gun violence, yet they are being used to indirectly justify current gun laws (or even more lax gun laws).

The rifle comparison is only part of the image, but the subtext is the comparison between death caused by other things that have nothing to do with guns. Two wrongs don't make a right. It doesn't matter how many people cars and alcohol kill per year. That is a different debate - which means it shouldn't be brought up in this one (especially covertly because that is a manipulation tactic rather than a justifiable comparison).

I have no problem with people using automobiles as a comparable so long as those same people are also willing to place the same restrictions on firearms as are placed on cars.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:16 PM   #25
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I have no problem with people using automobiles as a comparable so long as those same people are also willing to place the same restrictions on firearms as are placed on cars.

Good point. But they are obviously not doing it for that reason. Which is what annoys me.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:53 PM   #26
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no blasters & light sabers?
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Handguns are the thing I have been saying needs to be more limited.
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

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i just want to give everyone an example of how poor of an argument this is.
theres over 10 billion knives in use in america, and only 1800 homicides by it. compare that to guns. not even close. same thing with getting drunk, hammers, people with fists.
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Default Re: Rifles make up 4% of gun homicides...Handguns make up 72%

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i just want to give everyone an example of how poor of an argument this is.
theres over 10 billion knives in use in america, and only 1800 homicides by it. compare that to guns. not even close. same thing with getting drunk, hammers, people with fists.
You also have to take account the cost, assault rifles are very expensive and too big to keep a low profile, so the criminal will use hand guns to commit his crimes.

And I don't see how can anyone take that picture seriously. Drunk driving, auto accidents, hand, feet fists and blunt objects shouldn't even be there, those aren't created to be used as lethal weapons to kill.

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it is saying "hey look at how dumb we are for thinking assault rifles are our biggest problem, maybe we should focus on the bigger issues"

What are you proposing?
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