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Old 02-04-2013, 07:49 PM   #31
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No one is saying Flacco is the best QB in football, but he certainly had one of the best postseasons of all time. Better than Brady, better than Peyton, better than Brees, better than Rodgers. The only one to have as successful a postseason was Joe Montana.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:08 PM   #32
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No one is saying Flacco is the best QB in football, but he certainly had one of the best postseasons of all time. Better than Brady, better than Peyton, better than Brees, better than Rodgers. The only one to have as successful a postseason was Joe Montana.
All of that retarded rhetoric based on a stat that's only created to boost flacco's hype?

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Old 02-04-2013, 10:35 PM   #33
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Flacco played very well...and so did Kap

but the reason that these 2 "TEAMS" were in the Super Bowl had much more to do with the fact that they are the most physical "TEAMS" in the NFL than it did the QBs. Hell Kap wasn't even the QB the entire year, Alex Smith was. SF as a "TEAM" is probably a playoff team with any QB. Perhaps that is also true about the Ravens.

Did any of you know that the Ravens are pound for pound the biggest team in the NFL? They have a massive O-Line and D-Line. SF's O-Line is also amazing, Leonard Davis the probowl guard for Dallas isn't even a starter in SF, he is a backup.



The fact that these two teams were in the Super Bowl to me proves that you don't a Brees or Brady or Peyton to win a ring. Flacco is NOT an "elite" QB...no he isn't and if you think he is then you are just looking at the ring his "TEAM" won.

why do all the headlines and news have to be QB related? Am I the only one a little sick of how we view it and how infactuated we are with calling QB's "elite"...it's maddening

Honestly PT... I think most of this is a result of you making the statement, predicting, assumption or whatever you wanna call it from ... but let's give credit where credit is due ... and damn ... you hate on Flacco ... BUT YOU NEVER CRITICIZE Tony Romo ... why?



Romo has one a single playoff game his entire career, and let's not even compare Romo. Yet Romo is Top 4. Where does Romo rank, exactly? You moron.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:39 PM   #34
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Honestly PT... I think most of this is a result of you making the statement, predicting, assumption or whatever you wanna call it from ... but let's give credit where credit is due ... and damn ... you hate on Flacco ... BUT YOU NEVER CRITICIZE Tony Romo ... why?



Romo has one a single playoff game his entire career, and let's not even compare Romo. Yet Romo is Top 4. Where does Romo rank, exactly? You moron.

Yea, it's pretty clear he's indirectly trying to defend Tony Romo here.

Joe Flacco- 11 TD's, 0 INT's, 1,140 yards, 58 comp % and 117.2 QBR.

But injured/over the hill players like Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs carried his ass
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Yea, it's pretty clear he's indirectly trying to defend Tony Romo here.

Joe Flacco- 11 TD's, 0 INT's, 1,140 yards, 58 comp % and 117.2 QBR.

But injured/over the hill players like Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs carried his ass

yeah... but how dare us say Tony Romo isn't "elite" ... I mean damn, I even said Flacco ISN'T elite ... and Romo is Top 4.

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I've been echoing this for a while now and yes like I've said before it probably did start from the retarded amounts of blame and credit I gave witnessed from Romo...its like if he throws an INT people forget about the entire rest of the game...it doesn't matter who bad the D was, or oline, because Romo threw a pick.

Happened to Peyton in the playoffs too...does anyone here remember anything from that game other than his INT? Probably not.


And when a team wins it almost doesn't matter who shitty the QB was...HE WON!!!...The team didnt win, it was the QB that won!!!

It's so simple minded and stupid
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And now we all have to hear how elite Flacco is...get the fck out

He is an inconsistent 80.0 rated passer that got hot this year in the post season while on an amazing team, just like Eli a couple years ago who was brought back to earth this year. Neither are elite...
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:34 AM   #38
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Default Re: Wish people didn't make this all about the QBs

W/L shouldn't be the end all be all for a QB.

But you can look at teams with comparable talent and if the W/L between two QB's is clearly different then something is up.

And the fact of the matter is that Joe Montana is considered by I think most to be the GOAT QB. Was he the best talent wise? No. Was he the best stat wise? No. Did he have a wonderful team around him? Yes. But What sets him apart? 4-0. That's what does.

Flacco isn't elite, he hasn't played at that level consistently, but he had an historic postseason.

Kaepernick isn't elite. He's too young to be considered as such, we have to see what happens when the league adjusts back against him, but he too had an amazing postseason.

The hype lumped on them is deserved. Part of your problem is that you're watching ESPN which always looks for the lowest common denominator, but if you look elsewhere you will see more in depth stuff. You can't control the fans, there are fans I have met that truly legitimately believe that Kobe Bryant is better than MJ ever was. And you can't control the media at the ESPN level because it's all about drawing in as many viewers as you can.

QB's recognize this, and realize that the expectations are different for them. You don't look at an O-Lineman on another team and be like: "Oh he's 6-25 in his career." But you DO do that with QB's. And really I can't think of any other position. It's just the nature of the position.
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Default Re: Wish people didn't make this all about the QBs

The QB is the closer on the team.. Throughout the normal course of a game, any combination of positions can carry you to a win. But when it ends up with both teams having equal/close scores at the end of the fourth.. It is ALL put on the Q to carry his team to victory.

Flacco got kinda lucky with that Denver game.. Bombs that his receivers came down with. But he continued it and executed in every following game. He's not 'elite' unless he can show the ability to have stretches like this in the following years.

But romo sure as hell wasn't going 11-0 td/int
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Default Re: Wish people didn't make this all about the QBs

Almost every highly regarded QB had some facet of the team that's considered great.

I think Flacco carried his team in the post season. I think he was one constant. Why is that Flacco great throws are about how the WR's did when none of his recievers are top anything. The same throws and catches by Brady, Brees, Rodgers and company its about the QB. Can he be an elite post season QB? Sure.

As a Jet fan I would take a good QB during the regular season and an elite post season QB. Ravens arent built for a QB to be a record setting QB during the regular season.
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The QB is the closer on the team.. Throughout the normal course of a game, any combination of positions can carry you to a win. But when it ends up with both teams having equal/close scores at the end of the fourth.. It is ALL put on the Q to carry his team to victory.

Flacco got kinda lucky with that Denver game.. Bombs that his receivers came down with. But he continued it and executed in every following game. He's not 'elite' unless he can show the ability to have stretches like this in the following years.

But romo sure as hell wasn't going 11-0 td/int
No it isn't...you are blinded by the media

sometimes it is up to the defense to make a stop...or a WR to make a great catch, or it is up to the RB to get that 1st down to lock it up...etc etc etc

This idea that it is "ALL" on the QB is the result of you not being able to see the big picture...
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No it isn't...you are blinded by the media

sometimes it is up to the defense to make a stop...or a WR to make a great catch, or it is up to the RB to get that 1st down to lock it up...etc etc etc

This idea that it is "ALL" on the QB is the result of you not being able to see the big picture...
You highlighted half the quote to counter the point.

CLUTCH drives.. That's on the qb. A receiver may have a great catch here or there.. A running back might break one run off.. But mostly it comes down to he quarterback making the plays. There are certain qbs I genuinely FEAR in a close game with the ball in heir hands. Guys like Brady and Rodgers.. Eli when he isn't on an int streak.. A few more. Guys that win you games that could've gone either way. They have the ball and the decisions in their hands. They have the most control over the outcome of the game over any other player on the field and the truly great ones are coaches on top of being players.

I know watching McNabb for years and then Vick.. Both suck in the clutch and don't have that killer switch to turn on like we see brees Brady Rodgers do in tight games. The Eagles would have a few chips if they had a somewhat clutch q in the past decade.
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The more prime pushes his "QB's get too much love/credit" agenda the more I want the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl where Romo has a 12/0 TD/INT 1,000+ yard playoff run. You know, just to see where he really stands.
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Welcome to the life of a Peyton ******ger. Put him on those early 00's Pats teams and Vinatieri's just another random kicker.
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