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Old 02-06-2013, 03:07 PM   #46
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Holy f*cking racist.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:26 PM   #47
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To the white protestors, "your land" is really across the Atlantic and in Europe...you're welcome to leave anytime you want!

Google Kennewick Man and The Buhl Cave Woman. There are a few others as well. These were White people in North American some 10,000 years ago and beyond.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:32 PM   #48
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At what point do we stop touting ourselves as "The Land of the Free," when we do everything in our power to take away a right as basic as choosing where to live?
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:39 PM   #49
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At what point do we stop touting ourselves as "The Land of the Free," when we do everything in our power to take away a right as basic as choosing where to live?
When it has to do with brown skinned people.

Even when immigration was a simple flu shot and you were in, Italians were considered 'n*ggers'. People didn't have an issue with the light skinned immigrants, it was mostly the dark skinned ones.

Now Latinos are the targeted ones. I can almost guarantee that if it was Germans migrating here 90% of those opposed wont say shit.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:29 PM   #50
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Google Kennewick Man and The Buhl Cave Woman. There are a few others as well. These were White people in North American some 10,000 years ago and beyond.
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Furthermore, Powell said that dental analysis showed the skull had a 94 percent chance of being a Sundadont group like the Ainu and Polynesians and only a 48 percent chance of being a Sinodont group like that of North Asia.[12] Powell said analysis of the skull showed it to be "unlike American Indians and Europeans".[12] Powell concluded that Kennewick man "is clearly not a Caucasoid unless Ainu and Polynesians are considered Caucasoid."[13]

So polynesians are now white? Come on dude, real scientists now white people where not in the Americas before the Native Americans, stop trying to twist it.

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Old 02-07-2013, 04:22 AM   #51
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White men settled, couldn't protect their borders. Mexicans moved in. America stopped being the "white mans land" a long, looooooooooooong time ago.

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Old 02-07-2013, 04:48 PM   #52
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does anyone here seriously think that we so-called "superior civilised people" are treating the americas better than the native americans did? do you see our solution to everything working out in the long run?


at the end of the day, when your fancy arguments have dried up, can you hold your hand up on those?
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:46 PM   #53
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I would say that the Natives technically did not own any land before the Colonials came over and took it from them. The boundaries of their nations were ill defined and this is to be expected from a primitive culture. I do not expect the Europeans would have acknowledged there poorly defined boundaries given that they were acquainted with a much more strongly pronounced structure of culture.

It does not make sense to put the blame the Europeans who were taking over land which they supposed which was vacated. That is it was occupied by a loosely structured formation of a certain tribe or confederation of tribes. I don't blame the Europeans for not acknowleding it was their land in large part because the Native Americans were so spread out.

This in part justifies the European takeover is that there was no true or authentic ownership of the land, we could apply the same to the primitive peoples of Africa, Central Asia, and the Southeastern Asian islands.

It's all crap. First of all, they warred endlessly before Europeans came to the Western Hemisphere. Secondly, why on earth with anyone with half a brain delegate a rich land to backward, frankly stupid tribes who will do nothing with it other than fight with other backward, frankly stupid tribes instead of allowing civilization and modernity to spread its arms? What kind of idiot would support such a thing?!

The "we had it first" argument is popularly being invoked to justify amnesty. Problem is, tribes that lived in modern Mexico never extended this far north. And in an imperialistic grab, they don't bother consulting those tribes that DID live here if they're welcome. So much for that.

Texas is really Tejas they tell us. Really? Before it was Tejas, it was Comancheria. Before it was Comancheria it was Apacheria. The Comanche dealt in slaves, including captured Mexicans. The Apache found it desirable to sell other Indians to the Spanish.

That all this has gone on since the dawn of humanity and that only whites are condemned for it speaks for itself.
What a ridiculous argument.

So if a more superior advanced alien race came to our planet and saw us as a primitive species that did not have a "pronounced structure of culture", and started taking over our "ill defined boundaries". That they would be perfectly justified?
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:12 PM   #54
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The difference is when colonialist came to america there were no official boundaries, government and etc, therefore, the concept of illegals did not exist because there were no laws prohibiting people from entering the land.

Secondly the native americans are not indigenous to the area and i believe they have origins from eurasia.

Thirdly what we know as the united states of america today is primarily due to the efforts of the european colonist that migrated to the americas. Therefore, americans have every right to protect the borders and the country their ancestors help contribute to. If european colonist never went to the amrricas it would probably be some 3rd world hellhole....
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:37 PM   #55
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The difference is when colonialist came to america there were no official boundaries, government and etc, therefore, the concept of illegals did not exist because there were no laws prohibiting people from entering the land.

Secondly the native americans are not indigenous to the area and i believe they have origins from eurasia.

Thirdly what we know as the united states of america today is primarily due to the efforts of the european colonist that migrated to the americas. Therefore, americans have every right to protect the borders and the country their ancestors help contribute to. If european colonist never went to the amrricas it would probably be some 3rd world hellhole....
Whos to say that the naturals that inhabited the Americas didnt have "official" borders or nations of tribes set up within their own laws? They did not play by the colonial laws brought over by Europe.

One could also argue that 200 years from now the US will change for the better due to all the immigrants. Americans where giving the same gripes 200 years ago about all the Italian and German immigrants of the time.
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