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Old 02-08-2013, 06:34 PM   #46
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this might be the single most useless chart i have ever seen. what exactly is being measured on the y-axis? there is no context whatsoever.
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this might be the single most useless chart i have ever seen. what exactly is being measured on the y-axis? there is no context whatsoever.
the crime rate...

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looks like the opposite happened in the UK back in the 90s

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:44 PM   #49
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burglary goes down as well




no one breaks into homes in Texas, because they know they will get their head blown off if they do
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this might be the single most useless chart i have ever seen. what exactly is being measured on the y-axis? there is no context whatsoever.


it shows that as time has passed gun ownership has gone up as violent crime has gone down. im not sure it has much to do with the topic at hand though cause there have been few school shootings in relation to violent crime in general

and really anyone who shoots up a school is pretty much on a suicide mission

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it shows that as gun ownership goes up, violent crime goes down. im not sure it has much to do with the topic at hand though cause there have been few school shootings in relation to violent crime in general

and really anyone who shoots up a school is pretty much on a suicide mission anyway
I was just saying that "perhaps" the same could be true that school shootings go down with the gun threat just like burglary does

or maybe not...just saying it certainly isn't out of the question that it does
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:51 PM   #52
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texas ranks second in the country in robbery and second in property crime. not suprising for the second largest state in the nation, but lets not pretend that robbery doesnt exist in texas because of armed homeowners.

http://www.statemaster.com/state/TX-texas/cri-crime
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I was just saying that "perhaps" the same could be true that school shootings go down with the gun threat just like burglary does

or maybe not...just saying it certainly isn't out of the question that it does


yeah none of us really know if it will help, though I am opposed to this. just playing devils advocate
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:54 PM   #54
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texas ranks second in the country in robbery and second in property crime. not suprising for the second largest state in the nation, but lets not pretend that robbery doesnt exist in texas because of armed homeowners.

http://www.statemaster.com/state/TX-texas/cri-crime

You can't compare it on a state by state basis. The right question to ask what has happened to robbery and property crime in Texas since the increase in gun ownership. It's national ranking is a bit irrelevant.
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You can't compare it on a state by state basis. The right question to ask what has happened to robbery and property crime in Texas since the increase in gun ownership. It's national ranking is a bit irrelevant.


um.... actually i can compare it on a state by state basis, i just did in fact. its not irrelevant at all given that i was responded to this comment in the first place.

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um.... actually i can compare it on a state by state basis, i just did in fact. its not irrelevant at all given that i was responded to this comment in the first place.

Right but I'm talking about the trend in robbery statistics in Texas. Is it going downward, upward, lateral, etc.
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texas ranks second in the country in robbery and second in property crime. not suprising for the second largest state in the nation, but lets not pretend that robbery doesnt exist in texas because of armed homeowners.

http://www.statemaster.com/state/TX-texas/cri-crime
I bet Texas is low in terms of the actual "rate"

and yes, obviously there are still robberies
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:20 PM   #58
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Right but I'm talking about the trend in robbery statistics in Texas. Is it going downward, upward, lateral, etc.

do you know for sure that there been a large increase in gun ownership in texas over the past couple years? the trend in robbery statistics doesnt mean anything in the context of this discussion unless the % of texans that own guns has been changing over the same time period.
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do you know for sure that there been a large increase in gun ownership in texas over the past couple years? the trend in robbery statistics doesnt mean anything in the context of this discussion unless the % of texans that own guns has been changing over the same time period.
we know that in the US overall ownership has gone up while crime goes down...

correlation =/= causation but I can see that the exact opposite happened in Great Britain...gun ownership went down while crime rate went up
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we know that in the US overall ownership has gone up while crime goes down...

correlation =/= causation but I can see that the exact opposite happened in Great Britain...gun ownership went down while crime rate went up

you are entirely correct that correlation =/= causation, a lot of things have changed in the US overall other than just gun ownership during the last two decades that crime rates have been dropping.

NYC crime rates were horrible in the 80s, but today NYC is a very safe city. New York is possibly the most strongly anti-gun state in this entire country. Do you think the change in crime rates in NYC has anything to do with gun ownership?
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