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Old 02-10-2013, 04:39 PM   #16
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Where are you going to get your carbs from?

rice/potatoes
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:11 PM   #17
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Where are you going to get your carbs from?
carbs are in most foods.

dairy products, veggies/fruit... even meat probably has some. it should never be a problem for anyone except when in some kind of bizarre radioactive zombie apocalypse.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:24 PM   #18
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Today's "wheat," he says, isn't even wheat, thanks to some of the most intense crossbreeding efforts ever seen. "The wheat products sold to you today are nothing like the wheat products of our grandmother's age, very different from the wheat of the early 20th Century, and completely transformed from the wheat of the Bible and earlier," he says.

Plant breeders changed wheat in dramatic ways. Once more than four feet tall, modern wheat—the type grown in 99 percent of wheat fields around the world—is now a stocky two-foot-tall plant with an unusually large seed head. Dr. Davis says accomplishing this involved crossing wheat with non-wheat grasses to introduce altogether new genes, using techniques like irradiation of wheat seeds and embryos with chemicals, gamma rays, and high-dose X-rays to induce mutations.

Anyone know how much truth there is to that?
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:20 PM   #19
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Where are you going to get your carbs from?

Honey
Sweet Potatoes
Baked Potatoes
White Rice
Brown RIce Pasta + Tomato Sauce
Corn Tortillas
Bananas
Apples
Oranges
Pears
Pineapple

EAZY. God I ****ing love carbs.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:30 PM   #20
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Honey
Sweet Potatoes
Baked Potatoes
White Rice
Brown RIce Pasta + Tomato Sauce
Corn Tortillas
Bananas
Apples
Oranges
Pears
Pineapple

EAZY. God I ****ing love carbs.

Oats are so easy to mix in my breakfast shake though. Cant put rice/potatoes in that shit.

Mass gain brah

And isn't honey all simple carbs?

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Old 02-10-2013, 07:32 PM   #21
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Anyone know how much truth there is to that?

Honest nutritionists will tell you how little we actually know about nutrition. I think they may also realize the nutrition needs to be customized that some people may react very badly to carbohydrates and some might not and that the USDA one size fits all model might not help us.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:26 PM   #22
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So all the athletes who've been eating Wheaties in the morning over the past few decades have been doing themselves a disservice?





You were fine for two years and then had an outbreak when you moved to China? What makes you think it was the gluten?

I went back to America for 2 weeks and was still getting the rashes. I can't be for sure but all the symptoms are similar besides the rashes. Next time I fly back to America I'll get checked out again.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:40 AM   #23
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Just go to your doctor and ask for a blood test. If you come up positive for the antibodies then just avoid food with gluten. Other than that gluten is fine.

I also have some serious reservations on that article. A lot of things cause conformational changes in proteins including cooking.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:53 AM   #24
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I remember watching on the news a long time ago that you can get a special test on the best diet for you. They analyze your genes and from that and other things they can come up with what is best for your body... a personalized report. Not sure how much it costs now and stuff, but in general, I remember the news said the test will likely recommend the foods from your heritage. So for example, if your heritage is from a culture that typically likes to eat a lot of rice and fish, those likely are the better foods for your diet. If you come from a culture that have a lot of bread and pasta in their diet... you get the idea. I saw this on the news a long time ago so my memory may be a little spotty, but I found that news spot very interesting.
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I remember watching on the news a long time ago that you can get a special test on the best diet for you. They analyze your genes and from that and other things they can come up with what is best for your body... a personalized report. Not sure how much it costs now and stuff, but in general, I remember the news said the test will likely recommend the foods from your heritage. So for example, if your heritage is from a culture that typically likes to eat a lot of rice and fish, those likely are the better foods for your diet. If you come from a culture that have a lot of bread and pasta in their diet... you get the idea. I saw this on the news a long time ago so my memory may be a little spotty, but I found that news spot very interesting.
you mean the ER4YBT diet? (eat right for your blood type)
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:03 AM   #26
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.........what i know for sure.........


- i've lost about 35lbs just cutting way down on grains and sugars of all kinds. eat anytime i feel like it now and don't gain any weight.


- whole grains are at least a good fiber experience, so i do treat myself to them every few days and don't feel too badly about it. examples-- air-popped popcorn, brown basmati, steel-cut oats.


- i like to try to REASON out the likelihood of modern humans being grain-eaters.... i.e. are we really designed to eat grains, or aren't we? this is a useful exercise because we know that the longer an organism eats a food in evolutionary terms, the more adapted it will be to that food, i.e. healthier.

for example, bamboo is one of the most ridiculous kinds of food in the world to try to absorb nutrients from, and yet a whole species of bear (pandas) somehow got adapted to eating it. even though it's such poor fare that they have to eat all day long in order to survive. but considering that they started as carnivores/omnivores, it's pretty impressive.

in any case, grains are pretty tricky food for most animals to eat because of the outer hull. first, the problem of removing it, then (for man) the problem of storing the perishable interiors. it requires tools, planning, proper storage... even high food science in turning it into the cadillac of grain-food, i.e. bread.

so, long story short... i doubt that humans were eating grains for very long.

the fact that our insulin tends to jump all around when we eat them now tends to reinforce that. the fact that grains and sugars in essence are diabetic timebombs.


- i noticed some kind of research study lately which proposed that as little as 10,000 years may have been enough time for man to have properly (more or less) adapted towards grains as healthy foods. that would be roughly the correct amount of time that man was picking grain berries, grinding them and making bread-like stuff... yeast and non-yeast varieties.


so there's a conflict right there... those last two points, you know?

i definitely need to do more research on this!


great post Gigantes. I went on a pseudo paleo diet last summer. i didn't totally quit the grains or anything, but I did cut it down tremendously. i'm asian so quitting rice was like....WTF my life sucks. what i did was cut my intake by nearly 3/4. so that means only half a small bowl of rice instead of 2 and just a littlebit of bread when i eat a sandwich. carbs was not really a problem, i never felt tired and was still able to keep up the intensity of my workouts. i also only eat brown rice and whole wheat multigrain bread so i'm sure that helps.

my results where pretty good, i was as lean as I had ever been, friends were commenting that I was getting bruce lee levels of shredness. the only problem was i had wanted to gain another 10-15 pounds of muscle and that was pretty much impossible. i'm getting back on that diet now since pool weather is coming up.
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If you are bulking up then grains are a godsend but if you are trying to lose fat then you should cut them out. Regular diet includes a relatively small amount of grains
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you mean the ER4YBT diet? (eat right for your blood type)

Not sold on that.

Know WAYYYYY too many A's who do very well on meat, know way too many B's who can eat chicken and nightshades, and know a few O vegans who are getting by well.
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Honest nutritionists will tell you how little we actually know about nutrition. I think they may also realize the nutrition needs to be customized that some people may react very badly to carbohydrates and some might not and that the USDA one size fits all model might not help us.


this...and this...
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Anyone know of any food/nutrition forums that discuss topics similar to this on a more regular basis?
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