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Old 02-16-2013, 12:01 PM   #61
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My problem with the OP is that he used ''not being a witness'' to disprove religions. So i asked him if he was able to witness the big bang because thats what he believes in...that simple. I even bolded that part to let him understand thats what i was referring to
I don't think he meant witness literally.

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This is true. But that is the problem. There were numerous times scientists came up with a theory and then changed it later on to something different. And might change it again sometime in the future. There is nothing set in stones.
Why is this a problem?

As we're able to measure things more accurately, and observe more, our theories get refined.

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Yes the experiences can be repeated and all that but it doesnt mean that just because they can repeat it its necessarily the cause of the creation of the universe. There might be some other causes that they have yet to discover or simply cant understand.
There are certainly a lot of things which have yet to be discovered, or understood. If there weren't, no one would want to become a scientist.

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To me its all about belief and faith
It's the opposite. Faith is all about believing in something without, or in spite of evidence. Science is all about believing whatever the best evidence tells you. There are very few things which you have to take for granted, in order to do science.
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Old 02-16-2013, 01:40 PM   #62
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I just have another general question I've been curious about for some time now. Why do many atheists always seem so angry.

Sometimes you may be mistaking frustration over stupidity for anger.

I find many religious zealots to be idiots, and I can't believe they can't open their eyes and realize how dumb they're being.
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I just have another general question I've been curious about for some time now. Why do many atheists always seem so angry.

this is a joke right? my guess this "athiest anger" that you perceive is probably due to the fact that atheists have zero morals and multiple mental defects.

if you arent kidding, maybe you can answer me this: why do so many christians always seem so angry? also why do so many muslims seem so angry? why do so many human beings in general seem angry regardless of their religion?
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this is a joke right? my guess this "athiest anger" that you perceive is probably due to the fact that atheists have zero morals and multiple mental defects.

if you arent kidding, maybe you can answer me this: why do so many christians always seem so angry? also why do so many muslims seem so angry? why do so many human beings in general seem angry regardless of their religion?

I wasn't kidding at all. There's angry folks of any and all religions, but I think we can all agree atheists "seem" the most angry of all respectively. There's obviously no proof or backed scientific study of something such as this, just speaking in general terms.

You don't agree. That's fine. Maybe you were offended.
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I wasn't kidding at all. There's angry folks of any and all religions, but I think we can all agree atheists "seem" the most angry of all respectively. There's obviously no proof or backed scientific study of something such as this, just speaking in general terms.

You don't agree. That's fine. Maybe you were offended.
I don't see it.

I do think there are some atheist kids who think they're being rebellious, and want to confront people with it, but in general I'd guess that atheists are, if anything, less emotionally volatile.
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I wasn't kidding at all. There's angry folks of any and all religions, but I think we can all agree atheists "seem" the most angry of all respectively. There's obviously no proof or backed scientific study of something such as this, just speaking in general terms.

You don't agree. That's fine. Maybe you were offended.


you thought wrong.

as long as we are making broad generalizations - muslims, jews and christians all seem a lot "angrier" than atheists to me.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:21 PM   #67
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you thought wrong.

as long as we are making broad generalizations - muslims, jews and christians all seem a lot "angrier" than atheists to me.

How is what you bold'd from me something "you thought wrong" (meaning me being wrong) ? ... I don't see it being wrong or an inaccurate statement. You think religious people seem angrier; I feel atheists are. Atheists have the chip on their shoulder. IMO, much more than those who belong to a religious organization.

I mean come on dude, just admit so many atheists await for any and all opportunities to jump into a religious conversation (be it RL or here on the internet) and engage in a negative way. Atheists are way more quick to blast religious people with harsh insults and belittling smug remarks right from the very beginning of any such discussion.

Different people, different experiences I suppose.
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How is what you bold'd from me something "you thought wrong" (meaning me being wrong) ? ... I don't see it being wrong or an inaccurate statement. You think religious people seem angrier; I feel atheists are. Atheists have the chip on their shoulder. IMO, much more than those who belong to a religious organization.

I mean come on dude, just admit so many atheists await for any and all opportunities to jump into a religious conversation (be it RL or here on the internet) and engage in a negative way. Atheists are way more quick to blast religious people with harsh insults and belittling smug remarks right from the very beginning of any such discussion.

Different people, different experiences I suppose.

I disagree, but as I said before this isn't something we can really prove. But lets say for arguments sake it is true. What is your point?
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I disagree, but as I said before this isn't something we can really prove. But lets say for arguments sake it is true. What is your point?

There is no real point. Just a personal observation.
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I disagree, but as I said before this isn't something we can really prove. But lets say for arguments sake it is true. What is your point?
http://207.58.151.151/forum/showpost...stcount=85:old

cmon son. Didn't take but a few seconds
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cmon son. Didn't take but a few seconds

3 or 4 years ago. And as I just said. So what?

I don't even remember making that post, so I'm not sure if I am angry, frustrated or just taking the piss?

Plus it is only one instance. How long have you known me? How often have I been angry? Even if you find more posts like that, how much time do you think I am spending in that state of mind? Everyone gets angry and frustrated - it doesn't mean they always are.

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3 or 4 years ago. And as I just said. So what?

I don't even remember making that post, so I'm not sure if I am angry, frustrated or just taking the piss?

Plus it is only one instance. How long have you known me? How often have I been angry?
Idk what his point was, I do agree though. But I'm looking from this side of the fence
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Idk what his point was, I do agree though. But I'm looking from this side of the fence

But I wasn't even necessarily disagreeing with him. So how is there even a fence?
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But I wasn't even necessarily disagreeing with him. So how is there even a fence?
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I disagree, but as I said before this isn't something we can really prove. But lets say for arguments sake it is true. What is your point?
you're making this way more difficult than it needs to be
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you're making this way more difficult than it needs to be

No I saw it, which is why I prefaced disagreeing with necessarily. His conclusion is based on anecdotal evidence. He could be right but who knows?

What I'm not saying is that there are more angry Christians than atheists. Which would be a straight up dichotomous disagreement.

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