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Old 03-03-2013, 08:51 PM   #106
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Bilateral symmetry came pretty early in our evolutionary past. You know when they say "we share x amount of DNA with y animal"? These are the genes they are talking about. The ones that give order and structure and basic cellular function are the earliest to have developed and because evolution is a nested hierarchy they are genes we all share.
How do you explain the mind? I'm really interested in knowing how it fits in with evolution or better yet the big bang theory. The existence of a mind is atop the list of "where the hell did this come from?" or "how the hell did that happen?"
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:10 PM   #107
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How do you explain the mind? I'm really interested in knowing how it fits in with evolution or better yet the big bang theory. The existence of a mind is atop the list of "where the hell did this come from?" or "how the hell did that happen?"


Or how about new genetic cell information forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:15 PM   #108
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How do you explain the mind? I'm really interested in knowing how it fits in with evolution or better yet the big bang theory. The existence of a mind is atop the list of "where the hell did this come from?" or "how the hell did that happen?"

First of all it doesn't fit in with the big bang theory at all because it is trying to model a completely different phenomenon. The mind has as much to do with the big bang theory as it does with theories on cloud formation.

This gives a pretty good description of the earlier stages how the nervous system developed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evoluti...ervous_systems

Once early nervous systems came into being the basis for more complex development could begin. Over millions of years specialization occurred and animals became more proficient and adaptable for surviving in different environments. Social animals were very successful and the more altruistic and self sacrificing the animal could be towards its group the more likely that group would survive. As time goes on and the social species (ancestral apes) become more complex they could spend more time caring for their young - giving the young more time to develop after birth. Neural capacity is now allowed to increase again and with it so does development of abstract thought and reasoning.

This is a very abridged version and I might edit it later - I'm sure some of it is wrong. I've been on holidays for 3 months (uni is only just going back this week) so my mind is kind of lazy and mushy right now lol.
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:36 PM   #109
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Or how about new genetic cell information forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

I'll explain with your quote. This is what you wrote:

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Or how about new genetic cell information forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - deletion

Or how about new cell information forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - insertion

Or how about new cell forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - translocation


Or how about new cell forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and order selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - duplication

Or how about new cell forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and order selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - inversion

how Or about new cell forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and order selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - translocation

how Or do not explain this forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and order selection about new cell.

Random mutation - duplication

how Or do not explain this forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. In natural for a new species information Mutation and order selection about new cell.




So this is what we started with:

Or how about new genetic cell information forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

This is what we ended with:

how Or do not explain this forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. In natural for a new species information Mutation and order selection about new cell.

Is that the same thing or a new thing? Do this over and over for millions of years and see what we get.

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Old 03-03-2013, 09:40 PM   #110
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I'll explain with your quote. This is what you wrote:



Random mutation - deletion

Or how about new cell information forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - insertion

Or how about new cell forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - translocation


Or how about new cell forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and order selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - duplication

Or how about new cell forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and order selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - inversion

how Or about new cell forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and order selection do not explain this.

Random mutation - translocation

how Or do not explain this forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. information Mutation and order selection about new cell.

Random mutation - duplication

how Or do not explain this forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. In natural for a new species information Mutation and order selection about new cell.




So this is what we started with:

Or how about new genetic cell information forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

This is what we ended with:

how Or do not explain this forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. In natural for a new species information Mutation and order selection about new cell.

Is that the same thing or a new thing?

This is really messy and confusing to read. I'm struggling to even keep my eyes open but I will look it over tomorrow after work. Goodnight man.
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:42 PM   #111
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But for this book (Bible) we could not know right from wrong.

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I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had no where else to go.

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"Surely God would not have created such a being as man to exist only for a day! Man was made for immortality"

What do atheist American's think of these quotes?
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:43 PM   #112
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This is really messy and confusing to read. I'm struggling to even keep my eyes open but I will look it over tomorrow after work. Goodnight man.

It could have been better. But essentially each line has a random mutation which slightly changes the sentence. All you really need to look at is the original quote:

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Or how about new genetic cell information forming? In order for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. Mutation and natural selection do not explain this.

And then see how it has changed with random mutations:

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how Or do not explain this forming forming? In natural for a new species to come about there has to be a gain in information. In natural for a new species information Mutation and order selection about new cell.

The new sentence is not the same as the old one, it means something else - essentially it is a new thing. We didn't necessarily put in new information, we just used what was there by copying, shuffling, and removing elements.

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Old 03-03-2013, 09:44 PM   #113
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What do atheists from any nation think of this quote:

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"In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence. "
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:46 PM   #114
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What do atheists from any nation think of this quote:

It was probably written by a normal person before 1859 or a scientifically illiterate or ignorant person after 1859.
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:48 PM   #115
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It was probably written by a normal person before 1859 or a scientifically illiterate or ignorant person after 1859.

Regardless of when it was written, it was written by Isaac Newton.

You should read up on him. He has a Wikipedia page.
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Regardless of when it was written, it was written by Isaac Newton.

You should read up on him. He has a Wikipedia page.

So I was right.
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If Newton believed in god then their must be a god. Thread over.
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So I was right.

Yes because you googled it.
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If Newton believed in god then their must be a god. Thread over.

True. I better get into alchemy then too. This iron isn't going to turn into gold all by itself!
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Yes because you googled it.

Well I can't really prove that one way or another. But I actually thought it was a young earth creationist quote than a Newton quote.
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