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Old 02-14-2013, 09:11 AM   #166
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Perhaps "careless choice" is better wording...you're right

Sorry if "careless mistake" rubs some of you the wrong way...mistakes are mistakes though, and getting in a car drunk is careless...it fits imo but whatever
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:24 AM   #167
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Perhaps "careless choice" is better wording...you're right

Sorry if "careless mistake" rubs some of you the wrong way...mistakes are mistakes though, and getting in a car drunk is careless...it fits imo but whatever

Careless is accidentally bleaching your colored sheets. Driving drunk is reckless, dangerous and possibly deadly. When you are piloting a 4 thousand pound hunk of metal at high speeds you have a huge and very serious responsibility.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:30 AM   #168
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I had to take several classes ny MAD (mothers against drunk driving) and many of them reffered to it as a "careless mistake"

Saying things like "its sad my son lost his life to someone else's careless mistake"


That's where I got that phrase with this...would post links of them using that phrase but im on phone
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no one ever feels bad for the driver...who wasn't out looking to kill anyone...and just made a careless mistake, something that I bet most here over the age of 25 have done at some point

it's very very tragic but the driver didn't deserve to be executed like that...
How dumb are you. Careless mistake my a$$. It's called you being a selfish f*ck putting everyone's life at risk who is on the road because you are fu*king retarded. Feel bad for the driver my a$$. He is pretty much a murderer.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:07 AM   #170
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no, they aren't pretty much murders...most of them are just careless kids who are intoxicated

speaking of MADD, many of them are the mothers of the actual drunk driver who died...they will get you to feel for their son's death and plead for you not to make the same costly mistake.

is "costly mistake" okay for you?
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There's a difference between making the careless (or even reckless) decision to get behind the wheel of a vehicle and operate it under the influence, while on sleep medication, other narcotics, etc. and simply making the decision to murder someone in cold blood ... yes people, there is a difference.

Just like PT pointed out way earlier in this thread, the law agrees. Most of you in this thread believe fair and complete justice was served, but that doesn't mean you're right. The actual law disagrees with the majority of you people in this thread, and rightfully so.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:11 AM   #172
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Perhaps "careless choice" is better wording...you're right

Sorry if "careless mistake" rubs some of you the wrong way...mistakes are mistakes though, and getting in a car drunk is careless...it fits imo but whatever
Dude just put yourself in the situation, if someone close to you got killed.. would you be brushing it off as a careless mistake a careless choice? Is that how you would approach it? Your lack of perspective is whats bothering people.


How would you want a person that killed someone you know drunk driving to be punished?
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Dude just put yourself in the situation, if someone close to you got killed.. would you be brushing it off as a careless mistake a careless choice? Is that how you would approach it? Your lack of perspective is whats bothering people.


How would you want a person that killed someone you know drunk driving to be punished?
again, *broken record* Im not "brushing anything off"...and IMO it is most of you that lack perspective on this subject, I'm the one that has gone through all the DUI classes and MADD meetings

but to answer your question it completely depends upon the person driving...if it was some 19 year old college girl coming back from a party then I would be more understanding than if it was a 50 year old man covered in tats drinking a beer while driving who has 20 DUIs under his belt, and if that is the case I might actually want death for him...perhaps the law would too, idk for that situation
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:26 AM   #174
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One of the MADD meetings I took, the mother of a victim was giving a speach with the mother of the driver who killed her child (who also died that night)...they were friends, and both felt for each other's loss...both preached to not make the same mistake
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again, *broken record* Im not "brushing anything off"...and IMO it is most of you that lack perspective on this subject, I'm the one that has gone through all the DUI classes and MADD meetings

You being a confirmed drunk driver won't help drive home your point.

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but to answer your question it completely depends upon the person driving...if it was some 19 year old college girl coming back from a party then I would be more understanding than if it was a 50 year old man covered in tats drinking a beer while driving who has 20 DUIs under his belt, and if that is the case I might actually want death for him...perhaps the law would too, idk for that situation

That's the same thing. Just because one guy was caught more doesn't mean he's worse. Assault is assault, drunk driving is drunk driving, murder is murder. For something like this it doesn't matter who commits it from a moral standpoint, only their jail time.


And f*ck the guy might have wanted to die once the law took over. Killing two kids from drunk driving, losing a massive legal battle, money given to the victims' family, shitloads of jail time. Getting killed might've been the lucky way out. (The murderer is obviously bad too.)
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Drunk driving laws have become stricter and stricter over the years, so it's headed in the right direction, and there's still work to be done, but IMO, the laws are fair.

I've had two DUI's BTW.
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Arguing over the choice of words used to describe drunk driving. Primetime has sucked you all in.
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You being a confirmed drunk driver won't help drive home your point.



That's the same thing. Just because one guy was caught more doesn't mean he's worse. Assault is assault, drunk driving is drunk driving, murder is murder. For something like this it doesn't matter who commits it from a moral standpoint, only their jail time.


And f*ck the guy might have wanted to die once the law took over. Killing two kids from drunk driving, losing a massive legal battle, money given to the victims' family, shitloads of jail time. Getting killed might've been the lucky way out. (The murderer is obviously bad too.)

no, as viewed by the law and by myself multpile strikes does certainly matter...a first time offender is not viewed anywhere the same as a repeat offender by the judge

the way you are wording it all drunking driving should be the exact same punishment, even if you were lucky enough to not kill anyone...but that isn't reality.

I like the 3-strike rule, I think that drunk driving is a crime that one should get another chance on...but if it is shown it is a constant problem - prison
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Now apparently the fact that one kid was on his way to the hospital it's incredibly relevant and important, the other one laying dead it's of no importance and it's irrelevant. And apparently these "people" are not only a fathers but a "good" fathers! lol

"Hey look you killed my son while driving drunk, but that's ok, the other one is going to the hospital, wanna go for drink? Now if you killed them both, man you would be in trouble!"

Seriously how retarded can you be?

I can only assume the first paragraph is a response to me since I pointed it out.

Here's the relevance:
Barajas did not know the driver was drunk. It was proven later.
Barajas did not know both of his children were dead. One died after being transported to the hospital.
All accounts of the story have Barajas going back into his home before returning to shoot the other man -- in the head.

Barajas could have spent those minutes helping his one son clinging to life. Crying for help to neighbors, passersby, family, whoever. He made the terrible choice to go back inside the house, get a gun and execute this man. He's a much less sympathetic figure to me because of these actions.


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911 would have been called either way.



Anyways 1 dying would have been enough to kill either way.

I cant believe we are still arguing this.

I don't know if this touches you personally, or what it is. There's no "enough" granting a license to kill in this situation.
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Arguing over the choice of words used to describe drunk driving. Primetime has sucked you all in.
no they sucked me in..."careless mistake is too kind, use the word 'reckless' instead please"

it's so silly and insignificant in this debate

*goes on to read article where Mother's Against Drunk Driving use the exact words "carelss mistake"



reckless/costly/careless/desasterous/horrible/awful/etc mistake...just pick one and move on
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