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Old 02-15-2013, 05:15 PM   #16
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Default Re: Does Lebron surpass Larry Bird at the end of the season with league and finals mvp

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Bird still has the better over all stats, and his career was cut short due to a bad back.

I'd still have Bird over Lebron.

It's going to take him a few more rings to get to Bird/Magic/Kareem/Wilt/Hakeem/Shaq/Duncan levels, let alone MJ levels.

I love how people skip over all these ATG's, and go directly for MJ's throne.
except for the fact that he doesn't.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:30 PM   #17
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Default Re: Does Lebron surpass Larry Bird at the end of the season with league and finals mvp

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except for the fact that he doesn't.

Larry Bird: 24 pts. 10 rebs. 6 assts. 1.7 stls. 0.8 blocks FG% .496

Lebron James: 27 pts. 7 rebs. 6 assts 1.7 stls 0.8 blocks FG% .488

3 more pts. for Lebron, 3 more rebounds for Bird

Ok, so they're pretty much identical. FG% goes to Bird, while being primarily a jump shooter.

Bird also played a full minute less than Lebron.

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Old 02-15-2013, 05:34 PM   #18
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Default Re: Does Lebron surpass Larry Bird at the end of the season with league and finals mvp

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Larry Bird: 24 pts. 10 rebs. 6 assts. 1.7 stls. 0.8 blocks FG% .496

Lebron James: 27 pts. 7 rebs. 6 assts 1.7 stls 0.8 blocks FG% .488

3 more pts. for Lebron, 3 mre rebounds for Bird

Ok, so they're pretty much identical. FG% goes to Bird, while being primarily a jump shooter.
When you add in that LeBron's career postseason stats are superior, I think it's safe to give LeBron the edge. That's not even getting into the fact that advanced metrics lean HEAVILY towards LeBron over Bird.

There's one caveat though. LeBron is still in his prime. Larry career stats include when he was drifing at the end of his career. Obviously when LeBron is in his mid 30's his decline will bring down his career averages.
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When you add in that LeBron's career postseason stats are superior, I think it's safe to give LeBron the edge. That's not even getting into the fact that advanced metrics lean HEAVILY towards LeBron over Bird.

There's one caveat though. LeBron is still in his prime. Larry career stats include when he was drifing at the end of his career. Obviously when LeBron is in his mid 30's his decline will bring down his career averages.

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Default Re: Does Lebron surpass Larry Bird at the end of the season with league and finals mvp

Bird's Career Average

24+ pts / 10 rpg / 6.3 apg

thats 24-25 ppg DOUBLE DOUBLE for career !!!!

No Kobe or LBJ or Wade or Durant ever passing that.

Everyone need to get this thing in their heads right now.

LBJ's career so far. 27.6 ppgs / 7.2 rpg / 6.9 apg.

INFLATION ADJUST Bird's stats to today's full blown offensive era with wide open lanes & open paint area

24-25 ppgs become 28-29 ppg DOUBLE DOUBLE for whole career. !!!


Bird is clearly >> LBJ as Greatest SF to ever play the game!
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:39 PM   #21
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Bird's Career Average

24+ pts / 10 rpg / 6.3 apg

thats 24-25 ppg DOUBLE DOUBLE for career !!!!

No Kobe or LBJ or Wade or Durant ever passing that.

Everyone need to get this thing in their heads right now.

LBJ's career so far. 27.6 ppgs / 7.2 rpg / 6.9 apg.

INFLATION ADJUST Bird's stats to today's full blown offensive era with wide open lanes & open paint area

24-25 ppgs become 28-29 ppg DOUBLE DOUBLE. !!!


Bird is clearly >> LBJ as Greatest SF to ever play the game!
OMG fail. You've lost all credibility.

Lol. Yes. If only today's defense was as tough as what they had in the 1980's.....



wait for it.....




























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Old 02-15-2013, 05:41 PM   #22
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Default Re: Does Lebron surpass Larry Bird at the end of the season with league and finals mvp

maybe not by season end, but Lebron passing Bird is inevitable due to longevity. Bron will surpass alot of Birds accomplishments and totals before he's 30.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:43 PM   #23
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Default Re: Does Lebron surpass Larry Bird at the end of the season with league and finals mvp

Bird has 3 rings and lost twice to Magic/Kareem Lakers in the Finals. Lebron if he wins would have 2 rings and lost twice to the Spurs and Mavs. So how the **** would his legacy be better?
Lebron would be at the #11 range with another ring.
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OMG fail. You've lost all credibility.

Lol. Yes. If only today's defense was as tough as what they had in the 1980's.....



waiting for it.....


Here it is again.

-Wide open lanes to the baskets.
-NO camping in the paint area.
-Bird was 10 x better jump shooter than LBJ ever was, is will be
-Bird can shoot anywhere inside the half court from both sides of the court at any angle unlike LBJ.
-Big SHAQ-like centers have become extinct like dinausours


Bird will go for 29-30 PPG for career & add 10+ RPG to that.

LBJ will never get to Bird's level.
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damn NumberSix, hitting that refresh page often i see.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:47 PM   #26
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Default Re: Does Lebron surpass Larry Bird at the end of the season with league and finals mvp

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Bird has 3 rings and lost twice to Magic/Kareem Lakers in the Finals. Lebron if he wins would have 2 rings and lost twice to the Spurs and Mavs. So how the **** would his legacy be better?
Lebron would be at the #11 range with another ring.
4 MVPs and 2 FMVPs > 3 MVPs and 2 FMVPs.

BTW, it's only idiots like you who think losing in the finals is some sort of stain on your legacy. Only a moron thinks losing in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round is better than losing in the finals.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:50 PM   #27
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It doesn't matter. No one alive today ever got to see Abraham Lincoln do anything, does that mean we shouldn't have any opinions about his presidency?
The documenting of the action is enough to form an opinion. Basketball isn't something you can document thoroughly enough that you can judge without seeing.
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Default Re: Does Lebron surpass Larry Bird at the end of the season with league and finals mvp

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4 MVPs and 2 FMVPs > 3 MVPs and 2 FMVPs.

BTW, it's only idiots like you who think losing in the finals is some sort of stain on your legacy. Only a moron thinks losing in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round is better than losing in the finals.

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1 FMVPs vs Magic, kareem & 3 x champs LAL >>>>> 1 FMVP vs durant, westbrook & 1st time finalist OKC.

live with it.
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4 MVPs and 2 FMVPs > 3 MVPs and 2 FMVPs.

BTW, it's only idiots like you who think losing in the finals is some sort of stain on your legacy. Only a moron thinks losing in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round is better than losing in the finals.
3 rings > 2 rings

Losing in the finals is better than losing in the previous rounds, but Bird lost to the 85 and 87 Lakers, Lebron lost to the 07 Spurs and 11 Mavs while putting up the two worst performances of all time.
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Good thing we have video cameras.
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