Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > InsideHoops Main Basketball Forums > NBA Forum

NBA Forum NBA Message Board - NBA Fan Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-19-2013, 08:18 PM   #1
crisoner
10 plus years on ISH
 
crisoner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Californications
Posts: 12,469
crisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablecrisoner is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

Quote:
When asked what Jackson sees in the Lakers right now, considering the personnel changes and injuries, Jackson lamented:

They just don’t put the ball in the post. They’ll use a screen-roll to get the guy in the post. But there’s no consistent plan to do it. Yes, Kobe will go in there. But Dwight just doesn’t get any touches.

They’ve basically eliminated his assets.


Jackson was then asked about Howard’s screen and rolls:

You want the ball 10 feet away from the basket. Throw it into the post, make them double-team and have everybody around to make shots.

That’s what Shaq could do. That’s where you have the Robert Horrys, the Derek Fishers and the Rick Foxes sitting out there getting wide-open jumpers.

Can Howard’s presence inside be similar to Shaq’s, in the aspect of drawing the double team and finding open teammates?

I think he can be. But he is not where he needs to be physically because of the back surgery. He needs a year to recover from something like that. He’s starting to come around, but he has a massive upper body to carry around. He’s a terrific athlete, but he still has to get all that back.

He’s looking better all the time, but his problem right now is turnovers. He’s got to have a little better recognition, and that will help him gain the confidence of his teammates and coach, which he does not have now.


When asked about the issues regarding Howard and Pau Gasol playing together:

Well, what is the problem? We won two championships that way [with two big men]. Pau is one of the best big men in the game. I mean, Pau Gasol is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Have the Lakers been improving? And will they still make the playoffs?

Yes, I think they are finding a way to play. And that’s nice to see. Steve Nash has had to sacrifice because Kobe is dominating the ball, but Kobe is showing he can be both playmaker and scorer.

Now it’s about defense. And I think that’s coming around.

They make the playoffs; I think they’ve shown they’re going to be in it with every team.


Does Jackson ever feel compelled to visit Staples Center for a game?

I haven’t yet. I’ll probably go when Shaq’s number is retired [on April 2].

When asked about Jackson’s run in Los Angeles:

I did have a good run. There were always people who didn’t like the triangle, thought it was too methodical, too unlike Showtime.

But I was always astonished about how well I was treated. When I came back [in 2005] and took the job, people actually thanked me. They didn’t say, “Good luck.” They said “Thank you.” I never forgot that.


Will Jackson ever coach in the NBA again?

I’m not coaching. I told Mitch [Kupchak, Lakers General Manager] that back in October. So when we sat down in November [to talk about taking over after Mike Brown was fired], he brought that up and I said,

“Well, this isn’t about moving or going somewhere else and learning new players. It’s different. So I’m ready to think about coming back, but I still have to think about it.”

But I do hold out the idea that there’s still influence in the game I could have. Red Auerbach, Pete Newell, Wayne Embry, guys like that have had … a number of people have had considerable influence and haven’t been coaches per se.


What about a management job?

Vice president of basketball operations/director of player personnel is more like it.

Jackson was also asked whether he watches games and if he takes notes on them:

I sometimes take notes. I have some people who have come to me and ask, “Would you watch my team, see if you can pick anything up?”

Four or five teams, plus the Lakers. [He wouldn't identify the other teams.] So while I’m not officially in the consulting business, it might come in handy sometime.

Since he’s been away from the game for two years, has the league changed at all?

Not really. It’s a mimic league. It has been for a long time. Coaches see something and say, “Oh, that’s hard to defend. Maybe we’ll run that.” Screen-roll. Three-point shooters in the corner. Bigs that can roll and pop.

San Antonio has a system, a way of doing things, and maybe a couple others. But most everybody runs that screen-roll.


How does the game look from the outside looking in?

Basketball is a simple game. Your goal is penetration, get the ball close to the basket, and there are three ways to do that. Pass, dribble and offensive rebound.

The easiest one is — or should be — the pass. But the new rules allow you to throw more people at post-up players. NBA basketball is a big man’s game, and in the past they protected that aspect of the game.

Well, those rules went out the window and what they didn’t do was consider this: If they’re going to continue to allow zone defenses to work and shut down the paint, then they have to put six more seconds on the shot clock. A 30-second clock. But they’re so attached to the idea of the 24-second clock that it doesn’t happen.

Anyway, [allowing limited zones] has eliminated some of the post passing and made dribbling a major part of our game. As a result, I think people forgot that there are still ways you can get the ball inside rather than just standing there and throwing the ball in. You have to have a system that makes all things work. Pop [San Antonio's Gregg Popovich] has that.


How would he describe that system?

Popovich made significant growth 10 years ago or so after David Robinson left. It had been pretty stilted. You know, two big guys. A lot of stuff he does represents the triangle offense.

They flow into it a different way. Strong-side triangle. Pinch-post action. Some of it may have come about because we were going at each other all the time in the playoffs and he had to defend against it.

Finally, what does Jackson miss most about coaching?

What you might expect. Being around the other coaches, being around the guys. It’s what I talked about in my book [Eleven Rings]. Coaching is about, “How do I get these people to play at their peak level?” Yeah, the X’s and O’s mean something, but you can get people to do that.

And a lot of those guys have been hired. The Lawrence Franks and the Frank Vogels. Mike Brown was one of those guys. That’s not a knock. Those guys know how to coach the game.

But coaching is much more than that. It is a spiritual quest. And if it’s not that, you don’t have a challenge, you don’t have a mission. Forming a brotherhood and trying to move it forward, that’s the part that I miss.



I miss Phil...

Sounds like he was not to sure about coming back after all.
Would love him in a Vice President role for the Lakers.

And I agree with him on Dwight.

The media and fans are probably being to hard on him and beating a dead horse not thinking he will come back.

He should get more touches...and I think if the Lakers do keep him...he will be huge next year.
crisoner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 08:23 PM   #2
Haymaker
College superstar
 
Haymaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,403
Haymaker is a pretty well-respected posterHaymaker is a pretty well-respected posterHaymaker is a pretty well-respected poster
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

The problem with giving Howard touches is that he's not too good in the post and he's not the passer Shaq or Olajuwon were so he can't take advantage of double teams. Opposing teams would rather foul him than double him.
Haymaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 08:31 PM   #3
AlphaWolf24
Bringer of Rain
 
AlphaWolf24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 8,408
AlphaWolf24 has decent reputation
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

Quote:
Originally Posted by crisoner
I miss Phil...

Sounds like he was not to sure about coming back after all.
Would love him in a Vice President role for the Lakers.

And I agree with him on Dwight.

The media and fans are probably being to hard on him and beating a dead horse not thinking he will come back.

He should get more touches...and I think if the Lakers do keep him...he will be huge next year.


don't you understand...PHIL is saying this to get D12 happy again....so when Phil comes back....D12 will Listen and be engaged/focused on the game.

all part of the master plan my dude.....
AlphaWolf24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 08:39 PM   #4
scm5
Good college starter
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,027
scm5 has decent reputation
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

It sounds like Phil Jackson heard about the Kobe System...

What happens when you are the most successful coach in NBA history?

You coach the coaches.

You're Welcome.
scm5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 08:46 PM   #5
Scholar
Gawdbe GOATsol Nashty
 
Scholar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Swaggy P's Palace
Posts: 9,952
Scholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableScholar is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

Interesting read. Phil made a point about Dwight that I'd been arguing all year with my friends. He's not 100%, but at the same time, I do think something deeper is a problem, such as lack of team chemistry.

Btw, OP, where's the link?
Scholar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 08:49 PM   #6
Whoah10115
Linja Status
 
Whoah10115's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,968
Whoah10115 is starting to rub some people the wrong way
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

All his points on Pop and the Spurs were spot on. I think there's a much deeper conversation regarding Duncan there, but people don't wanna have it.


Tho Vogel is much more than an x's and o's coach.
Whoah10115 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 08:51 PM   #7
eurobum
High School Varsity 6th Man
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 753
eurobum has no real reputation yet.
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

Thanks for posting.
eurobum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 09:01 PM   #8
FKAri
Great college starter
 
FKAri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 3,565
FKAri is a pretty well-respected posterFKAri is a pretty well-respected posterFKAri is a pretty well-respected posterFKAri is a pretty well-respected poster
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

Pop and Phil; two goats
FKAri is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 09:31 PM   #9
tmacattack33
NBA rookie of the year
 
tmacattack33's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 6,309
tmacattack33 has not been impressing people
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

Wow I actually read all of that...i'm proud of myself.

But yeah, Phil Jackson is the sh*t and i agree with a lot of what he said.
tmacattack33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 09:45 PM   #10
G-Funk
Palm Trees & Gangsters
 
G-Funk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 7,376
G-Funk has decent reputation
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

Very good read, thanks for posting my dude, it makes me miss him
G-Funk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 11:15 PM   #11
MisterAmazing
Good High School Starter
 
MisterAmazing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 934
MisterAmazing has an OK reputation so far
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

man i miss phil so much

when he said he was gonna come to Staples for Shaq's number retirement that brought a tear to my eye
MisterAmazing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 11:33 PM   #12
NBASTATMAN
NBA sixth man of the year
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,370
NBASTATMAN posts stuff that is definitely making some people angryNBASTATMAN posts stuff that is definitely making some people angryNBASTATMAN posts stuff that is definitely making some people angry
Default Re: Phil Jackson on the Lakers current state and what he thinks about Dwight Howard

So Pj thinks the Lakers should get the ball to Dhoward some more... Maybe Pj is a hater.
NBASTATMAN is offline   Reply With Quote
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:24 AM.




NBA Basketball Forum Key Links:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
NBA Mock Draft
NBA Free Agents
All-Star Weekend
---
High School Basketball
Streetball
---
InsideHoops Twitter
Search Our Site













Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy