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Old 02-21-2013, 01:33 PM   #31
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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OK we get it. Kobe's second option was clearly not as good as Jordan, LeBron or Magic/Kareem's second option. But despite not being very superstar heavy, a team of Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Ariza, Fish coached by Phil Jackson is by no means a bad team.

And Gasol certainly is no bum(or at least wasn't back then 08-10).


it wasnt bad... but it wasnt great

odom never made an allstar team ( bosh made 8, rodman is a legendary defensive anchor/rebounder, worthy is a HOF legend )

bynum in 2009 and 2010 didnt even play. he averaged like 5ppg and sat 4th q's during those 2 title runs

ariza is a nobody... career 9/4/1 average man... solid defender. crap everywhere else IMO

fish hit clutch shots. but he was a bad defender, old, slow at the time. kobe was the pg and sg for the lakers. fish just hit a few spot up threes and never ran the offense



phil is great... but pat riley isnt? phil coached mike too...

spo is alright. but they won a title against scott brooks. both coaches werent really legendary


not too many teams win without a good coach
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:41 PM   #32
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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i know everyone needs help

kobe just needed allot less than 90% of finals mvps

ofcourse if you take off your 2nd best player itel be hard to win

just saying kobes second best player for 2 straight titles was PAU GASOFT


lakers might be one of the only teams in history to win a title with ZERO interior defense


The heat had way less interior D
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:48 PM   #33
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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odom never made an allstar team

He should have made it at least 3 different times, so you can call him all-star caliber.

He was a triple-double waiting to happen and copped a 6th Man of the Year award. It was a luxury for Kobe to have that kind of bench support.

The attempt to sell Kobe as this guy who carry a team to titles by himself falls short when you see what happened in the years immediately following Shaq's depature.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:50 PM   #34
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

We get it.

Kobe> Jordan and LeBron combined!
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Old 02-21-2013, 02:02 PM   #35
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

The '09 and '10 Lakers were the traditional style championship team, with one superstar, a great all-star sidekick, and varied contributions from good role players in the playoffs. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:41 PM   #36
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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wade = top 25-30 all time
pippen = top 20-25 all time
kareem = arguable goat
pau = top 90-100 all time


Pau's better then top 90. Name 90 players better then him before you make that statement.

Its funny you say all this and conveniently leave out that Kobe won 3 playing with an arguable top 5, definitely top 10 player of all-time at his peak which was a top 1-5 peak of all-time. So if he overachieved by winning 2 with a top 90 player of all-time, isn't that kinda irrelevant because he underachieved by winning only 3 with one of the greatest players of all-time?

And statements like this are very misleading. Wade wasn't at a top 25-30 all-time level last year when Lebron won with him. Pippen was definitely not at a top 20-25 (arguably not a top 20-25 player anyway) all-time level for all of those titles. Kareem was a shell of himself for at least 3 of those titles with Magic, in fact Pau in those 2 titles was probably better then Kareem was for his last 2 titles.

Shaq was at his absolute peak for those 3 titles. In fact, you can easily argue that out of Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem, and Lebron, only Kobe played with as great of a player as peak Shaq.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:43 PM   #37
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Naw, Game 5 was his own fault. Chemistry killer in that game. He knew he was facing a old senile weak opponent and tried to do too much.
38 of the team's 86 points
Most assists on the team
Rest of his team shot 35%

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Gasol decided not to carry Kobe that game and lakers lost
Carry what? Kobe's luggage?
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:52 PM   #38
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Hakeem won it with vernon maxwell as the Rocket's 2nd option in the playoffs and he averaged 14ppg on 37% shooting.

so Hakeem the G.O.A.T. right?

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Old 02-21-2013, 03:54 PM   #39
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

The Lakers had the squad to win titles for their era. The West teams for the most part had soft midgets in the paint and what it came down to is none of those weak west teams had a frontline that could compete with the size and length of Gasol, Bynum, and Odom. Bynum didn't even have to be completely healthy in '09 to be effective against the cupcake frontlines of the west. LA won because they could simply over-power most teams on the offensive boards and dominate the paint. The '10 Celtics had a tougher frontline than any other team LA faced which is why it went 7 games.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:18 PM   #40
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i know everyone needs help

kobe just needed allot less than 90% of finals mvps

ofcourse if you take off your 2nd best player itel be hard to win

just saying kobes second best player for 2 straight titles was PAU GASOFT


lakers might be one of the only teams in history to win a title with ZERO interior defense



You say the dumbest shit. How did the Lakers have no interior defense? Gasol may not be an anchor, but he still played solid defense and through both of the Lakers championships, Lamar Odom was clearly their best defensive player and he played defense INSIDE. The laker's sure as hell weren't rated so high defensively those two season because of Kobe Bryant that's for sure.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:18 PM   #41
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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i know everyone needs help

kobe just needed allot less than 90% of finals mvps

ofcourse if you take off your 2nd best player itel be hard to win

just saying kobes second best player for 2 straight titles was PAU GASOFT


lakers might be one of the only teams in history to win a title with ZERO interior defense



You say the dumbest shit. How did the Lakers have no interior defense? Gasol may not be an anchor, but he still played solid defense and through both of the Lakers championships, Lamar Odom was clearly their best defensive player and he played defense INSIDE. The laker's sure as hell weren't rated so high defensively those two seasons because of Kobe Bryant that's for sure.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:42 PM   #42
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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Gasol led the Lakers in Win Shares each of the 3 full seasons he was there (from 2009 to 2011)
He finished 2nd in the league in 2011 in it, led the Lakers in both PER and Win Shares in 2010 and led the entire playoffs in Win Shares in 2010 while having a 24.0 PER in the playoffs and posted a 25.5 PER in the 2010 finals. Had over a 4.3 Win Share in 2009 as well in the playoffs.

He wasn't a superstar by name, but that is superstar production and even had greater production than his own teammate in some of those years.
win shares?....get outta here....
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:03 PM   #43
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Gasol was giving production comparable to/better than Pippen in the '09/'10 postseasons, and his impact went beyond even that due to his skill level offensively and length defensively. OP is an idiot.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:04 PM   #44
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

Kobe + Pau + Bynum = 2

Stop excluding Bynum, the center with best post-up game in NBA.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:08 PM   #45
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No mention of Pau's Rookie of the year award....
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