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Old 02-22-2013, 09:19 AM   #61
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Dwight and Garnett were both better than Pau Gasol. They were DPOY and MVP candidates. Current Dwight has as much relevance to 2009 Dwight as current Pau has to 2009 Pau.



Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett are hall of fame level post players.



Bynum wasn't healthy for either title run. What team was more stacked? The Celtics. Their bigs were just as good as the Lakers leaving Kobe to will his team to victory over Ray Allen, Rondo and Paul Pierce while having some of the worst backcourt support in the entire league.



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In 08, KG was definitely better then Gasol, but in 09 and 10 he definitely wasn't. In 09 he definitely wasn't at least because of injury, but in 10 he wasn't regardless and was outplayed by Gasol in the Finals.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:14 AM   #62
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In 08, KG was definitely better then Gasol, but in 09 and 10 he definitely wasn't. In 09 he definitely wasn't at least because of injury, but in 10 he wasn't regardless and was outplayed by Gasol in the Finals.

Gasol didn't outplay Garnett. He just played more minutes. Gasol hasn't outplayed his counterpart in the playoffs in years. Garnett outplays Gasol everytime he steps on the court for his defense alone.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:42 AM   #63
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Gasol didn't outplay Garnett. He just played more minutes. Gasol hasn't outplayed his counterpart in the playoffs in years. Garnett outplays Gasol everytime he steps on the court for his defense alone.

KG couldn't even average 6 rebounds per game. And this was years ago. Gasol hasn't done shit in the playoffs the last 2 years, and I'd say KG has been better, but Gasol was better for those 2 years.

A big reason KG was playing less was getting into foul trouble. Plus, the fact that KG was too old and injured to play more minutes isn't exactly a good thing. You think the Celtics didn't want him to play 40 mpg if he could?
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:01 AM   #64
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KG couldn't even average 6 rebounds per game. And this was years ago. Gasol hasn't done shit in the playoffs the last 2 years, and I'd say KG has been better, but Gasol was better for those 2 years.

A big reason KG was playing less was getting into foul trouble. Plus, the fact that KG was too old and injured to play more minutes isn't exactly a good thing. You think the Celtics didn't want him to play 40 mpg if he could?

If your go to trait to hype up Pau Gasol is his rebounding you know you are reaching.

I think the Celtics would take 32 mins of Garnett over 42 mins of Gasol all day as would every other team in the league including the Lakers. He's a defensive Juggernaut, Gasol is a defensive liability. Gasol would have to be Rodman on the boards to even make it a push.
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:10 PM   #65
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Gasol didn't outplay Garnett. He just played more minutes. Gasol hasn't outplayed his counterpart in the playoffs in years. Garnett outplays Gasol everytime he steps on the court for his defense alone.

Gasol clearly outplayed KG in the 2010 Finals. What the **** are you smoking?

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KG was a joke on the glass and his defense was good, but hardly up to his standard. He obviously had worn down that late into the playoffs and had lost his legs.

The notion that KG was better than Gasol in the 2010 Finals is just objectively false. No argument can be made at all...
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OP is an idiot but there have been some almost equally idiot posts in this thread.
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:14 PM   #67
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Gasol clearly outplayed KG in the 2010 Finals. What the **** are you smoking?

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KG was a joke on the glass and his defense was good, but hardly up to his standard. He obviously had worn down that late into the playoffs and had lost his legs.

The notion that KG was better than Gasol in the 2010 Finals is just objectively false. No argument can be made at all...
This guy will go to new levels to make kobe look greater than he really is, he's trying to sell us the gasol has always been like the gasol we see now. Gasol was huge in the lakers title run
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:38 PM   #68
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Gasol clearly outplayed KG in the 2010 Finals. What the **** are you smoking?

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KG was a joke on the glass and his defense was good, but hardly up to his standard. He obviously had worn down that late into the playoffs and had lost his legs.

The notion that KG was better than Gasol in the 2010 Finals is just objectively false. No argument can be made at all...

No argument can be made if you post cherry picked raw statistics, ignore minutes played, ignore efficiency and compare 2010 KG defensively to prime KG instead of 2010 Gasol.
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No argument can be made if you post cherry picked raw statistics, ignore minutes played, ignore efficiency and compare 2010 KG defensively to prime KG instead of 2010 Gasol.


seriously... even if garnett only averaged 5ppg. he would still be more valuable than gasol

i would take garnetts defense over paus offense any day of the week

difference is garnett can drop nearly 20ppg at the same time. while pau gets shat on every chance he gets to try and block anyone
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No argument can be made if you post cherry picked raw statistics, ignore minutes played, ignore efficiency and compare 2010 KG defensively to prime KG instead of 2010 Gasol.

How can playing less minutes be a positive? If you aren't on the court, you don't do anything. Your impact is 0. The only way you could argue that being positive for KG is if Gasol was hurting the Lakers...which everyone knows would be absurd.

KG was not even close to himself in the series. He was awful on the glass especially.

Nobody...I mean nobody...objectively evaluating that series would come away thinking that KG outplayed Gasol. Absurd....
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If your go to trait to hype up Pau Gasol is his rebounding you know you are reaching.

I think the Celtics would take 32 mins of Garnett over 42 mins of Gasol all day as would every other team in the league including the Lakers. He's a defensive Juggernaut, Gasol is a defensive liability. Gasol would have to be Rodman on the boards to even make it a push.

Gasol was not a defensive liability. He wasn't as great as KG but you're making seem like he was Amare Stoudemire. Gasol was a 10-12 rpg player from 09-12 and was top 10 each year. How am I reaching? You maybe right about the Celtics rather taking 32 mins of KG over 42 mins of Gasol but alot of that has to do with his personality and leadership and the culture of that team. Either way, you know for damn sure the Lakers wouldn't have done that.

this revisionist history you're trying to make. During the series, the general feeling was that Gasol was playing better then KG for the most part. The general feeling was that in the LA games Gasol badly outplayed KG who was terrible in LA, and for the 3 games in Boston, KG had 2 really good games and was better then Gasol and in the other game they both didn't really do much, but overall Gasol wasn't nearly as bad in Boston as KG was in LA.

By the way, did you say or imply that Kobe willed that team to victory singlehandedly while his bigs sucked it up and got no backcourt support? It was Gasol, Fisher, and Artest that hit the biggest shots at the end of that game 7 with Gasol and Artest having better games overall. It was Fisher that singlehandedly closed out game 3 while Kobe was playing cheerleader (and this wasn't the first Finals game of their careers that Fisher closed out and Kobe didn't). You will go to ridiculous lengths to prop up Kobe, even to the point of painting history with lies.
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Gasol was not a defensive liability. He wasn't as great as KG but you're making seem like he was Amare Stoudemire. Gasol was a 10-12 rpg player from 09-12 and was top 10 each year. How am I reaching? You maybe right about the Celtics rather taking 32 mins of KG over 42 mins of Gasol but alot of that has to do with his personality and leadership and the culture of that team. Either way, you know for damn sure the Lakers wouldn't have done that.

this revisionist history you're trying to make. During the series, the general feeling was that Gasol was playing better then KG for the most part. The general feeling was that in the LA games Gasol badly outplayed KG who was terrible in LA, and for the 3 games in Boston, KG had 2 really good games and was better then Gasol and in the other game they both didn't really do much, but overall Gasol wasn't nearly as bad in Boston as KG was in LA.

By the way, did you say or imply that Kobe willed that team to victory singlehandedly while his bigs sucked it up and got no backcourt support? It was Gasol, Fisher, and Artest that hit the biggest shots at the end of that game 7 with Gasol and Artest having better games overall. It was Fisher that singlehandedly closed out game 3 while Kobe was playing cheerleader (and this wasn't the first Finals game of their careers that Fisher closed out and Kobe didn't). You will go to ridiculous lengths to prop up Kobe, even to the point of painting history with lies.

Why wouldn't the Lakers do it? The would have done in 08, 09, 10, 11, 12 and today. The gap between the two on offense is negligible and their differences on defense are vast. Pau Gasol is a great #2 guy. Kevin Garnett was the identity of that team. Their playoff run was fueled by elite level defense http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6237 A prime healthy KG doesn't wait to the postseason to turn it on but make no mistake he was still dominant defensively.

Gasol, Fisher and Artest were 17/40 in Game 7. My comment about backcourt support wasn't about the last 30 secs of random games of your choosing but rather the entirety of 2008-2010. If you disagree please feel free to name names.
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Problem is 2 guys on that list are gonna get more rings yet to come so....
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Pau Gasol a bum????

If utilized the right way he is still one of the top 5 bigmen in the NBA.

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