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Old 02-24-2013, 02:39 PM   #46
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Default Re: Should the league just give up now? No one can beat the Heat.

In 2011, everything went wrong for Miami and everything fell into place for Dallas. Dallas was just ON FIRE, and everyone on the team was hitting shots. Barea, Stevenson, Peja. Everybody. Not something you saw in the regular season. Not to mention Chandler becoming a defensive force and Dirk having one of the greatest series of his life.

With Miami, everything kind of went wrong. That meltdown in game 2 was just brutal. It made me angry, and then upset too. 15 points up and you lose?! Then you had LeBron CHOKE. Completely shy away. Wade was excellent, and they were a couple of plays from going up 3-1 in game 4. If LeBron played a little better, Miami would be going for a three-peat right now and Wade would be with 3 Championships and 2 FMVP's.
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How they were assembled matters. This team was not built through the draft or trades or even the normal process of free agency.

This was a case where the top three players in a free agent bonanza year were guilty of collusion. And for two of them, it was tantamount to if, in the 80s, two out of three among Jordan/Johnson/Bird had decided to team up, because the Heat inarguably had two of the best three players in the world when they formed.
It would basically be like Jordan teaming up with one of Bird/Magic and McHale.

Relative to his competition, Wade was as good as either Magic or Bird (don't interpret this the wrong way anyone... all it means is that he was a consensus top 2-3 player in 2010).

And Bosh has become hilariously underrated now. Dude was in discussion for best PF in 2010 (certainly no worse than top 3, with only Gasol and Dirk being on his level).
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:52 PM   #49
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How they were assembled matters. This team was not built through the draft or trades or even the normal process of free agency.

This was a case where the top three players in a free agent bonanza year were guilty of collusion. And for two of them, it was tantamount to if, in the 80s, two out of three among Jordan/Johnson/Bird had decided to team up, because the Heat inarguably had two of the best three players in the world when they formed.

This. The difference is that the dynasty Celtics, Lakers and Bulls great teams (as well as every other great teams) were all built through the draft and-or luring in veteran players through free agency.

What we have with the Heat is 3 superstar players who are all in their prime that colluded to come together on the same team.
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Default Re: Should the league just give up now? No one can beat the Heat.

Heat too stacked?

Look at OKC last Year. Durant top 2 player. Westbrook top 10 player and probably 3-4 best pg in the league. Harden last year was best 6th man in the league although this year we see what kind of potential he actually has. This year Harden is easily top 10 player and don't tell me he improved soooo much from last year. Lets go on, Ibaka best shotblocker in the league and this year he improved his jumper a LOT. So he doesn't give you just defense but also offense.

Yet Miami is too stacked and Lebron is the one who has too much help?
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What we have with the Heat is 3 superstar players who are all in their prime that colluded to come together on the same team.


And every single superstar of the 3 you mentioned gave 7 years to a franchise he was drafted by. And only Miami from 05 and on was able to put contender pieces around Wade. From 08 and on even Wade was in the same situation as Lebron and Bosh were throughout their entire careers, teams they were drafted by couldn't make a true contender for several years. It's not like Lebron or Bosh left their teams after 2 or 3 years when things weren't going their way. They both gave 7 years to their franchises.

And people saying that stacked Lakers teams, Celtics,..were made through drafts. Why do you think it is so important how the team was made? Is NBA some kind of moral, honest business? No.... At the end of the day what matters, when saying one team is too stacked, is what can those 15 players do on the court. And certainly not how the team was assembled.

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Old 02-26-2013, 09:29 PM   #56
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Rants about Miami::::::::::::

Miami is not a soft team whereas their closest competitor the Thunder are. When I mean soft I mean that their style of play is soft. Kevin Martin is a shooter. Durant cant post up Lebron. Westbrook is legit but he wont be able to get to the rim and draw fouls on Miami's defense. Miami has a hard style of playing. They cut and slash like crazy with crazy athleticism from Wade and Lebron. they both get to the free throw line often. 3 point shooters that don't shoot too much but just enough to be effective.

The next closest team imo are the clippers. But I don't think they have the athleticism to contend with Wade and James. And again, the Heat are just a tougher team.
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This isn't how basketball works. It may seem like a pain in the ass, but they're going to need to play some playoff games and win the finals before they get their rings.
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Doug Collins says that if a team in the East had two bigs they can pound them inside a little bit. A team that fits that description is Chicago with Noah and Boozer and Taj Gibson. If only DRose can comeback.
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Doug Collins says that if a team in the East had two bigs they can pound them inside a little bit. A team that fits that description is Chicago with Noah and Boozer and Taj Gibson. If only DRose can comeback.
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I doubt Chicago will beat Miami since we'll never know what kind of player Rose will be post-injury.

Reggie Rose did come up with a good point I guess when he said that Chicago didn't make any moves to contend for a championship.

We'll see. Knicks have a great front court and Iman Shumpert who might be guarding Wade shall they meet in the playoffs.
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