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Old 02-24-2013, 03:39 PM   #16
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A large portion of the forum hates LeBron for that. KG couldn't win a ship with the wolves, so he joined up with 2 other stars of the time so he could actually win one. While on the other hand Dirk stayed loyal, persevered, and won with a 2nd option of Jason Terry. Kg could NEVER dream of that.
I couldn't care less about what a large part of the forum does.

Dirk played for a great organization who surrounded him with great teams throughout his career. KG's best teammate in Minnesota was a late prime Sam Cassell who wasn't even healthy in the Playoffs (and missed the WCF), and he still went on to take them to the conference finals where they took the Kobe/Shaq/Malone/Payton Lakers to 6 with KG playing PG.

And again, he didn't leave the Wolves to hop on a championship contender, he left them because they wanted to go in a different direction, he was as loyal as he could be to them. Even with Pierce and Allen on the Celtics they were in no way the universal favorites to win the title, they were looked at as a team with 3 good players, a terrible bench, and no competent PG or C.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:44 PM   #17
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A large portion of the forum hates LeBron for that. KG couldn't win a ship with the wolves, so he joined up with 2 other stars of the time so he could actually win one. While on the other hand Dirk stayed loyal, persevered, and won with a 2nd option of Jason Terry. Kg could NEVER dream of that.

Minnesota wanted to get rid of KG.
Cleveland wanted to keep LeBron.

I thought I'd spell out the difference in case you are just stupid instead of being an agenda-driven bitch.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:45 PM   #18
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Dirk didn't really carry that team. When their defensive anchor left that team, Dirk couldn't win a playoff game the next year. Carrying a team is like when KG lead his team in rebounds, points and be their defensive anchor in the regluar season and post season and finals like KG did. Dirk does his part of the pie which is score. Without Chandler they didn't win a playoff game because defense is a big piece of the pie. Marion and Kidd had the best defensive run probably ever in a playoff run in that year, both stopping two all time greats. Kidd also lead the team in assist and steals. Terry was their most accurate shooter over their last three wins. Tyson Chandler was their defensive anchor and lead the team in rebounds. Dirk was impressive and had big impact but lets not get carried away. You can't carry a team by scoring alone. Durant is a much bigger scorer than Dirk ever was. And he doesn't carry a team - he leads them but he doesn't carry them.

Besides why is OP saying this in a game Kobe will likely out clutch Dirk anyway?
You are so full of sh*t. Marion and Kidd had the best defensive run of all time?
Dirk had the 3rd most 4th quarter scoring average of all time. He was the finals leading rebounder of both teams. He played better man-to-man defense than Chandler for most games (see Aldridge's scoring against him compared to his scoring when Dirk covered him). While obviously Chandler was the defensive anchor, Dirk did so much more than just scoring.

Oh, and said Kobe got vastly outplayed in the semi-finals by Dirk. It was not even close. And the reason for Dirk not winning a single game in the year after the championship? Well, for starters, how about that almost the complete team was gone? Three of the finals starters?
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:46 PM   #19
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When have I ever hated on Lebron? Please find one post of me ever saying anything negative about Lebron and then get back to me.

And KG was traded to a team that won 24 games the previous season. And he didn't even want to leave the Timberwolves in the first place.
KG didn't want the trade, until Ray was traded there. That convinced him.


Technically, Lebron was traded too.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:52 PM   #20
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KG didn't want the trade, until Ray was traded there. That convinced him.


Technically, Lebron was traded too.
I'm not comparing KG to Lebron because neither of them did anything wrong to me. But the above poster said KG left Minnesota because he realized he couldn't win there, which could not be further from the truth. He was traded from Minnesota because the team wanted to go in a different direction, not him.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:54 PM   #21
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A large portion of the forum hates LeBron for that. KG couldn't win a ship with the wolves, so he joined up with 2 other stars of the time so he could actually win one. While on the other hand Dirk stayed loyal, persevered, and won with a 2nd option of Jason Terry. Kg could NEVER dream of that.

MIA situation is COMPLETELY different than BOS.

MIA get together... Ages are 25,25, and 27. Prime athletic and skill years while having 2 guys as top 7 players and a top 20-25.

BOS gets together, Ages are 31,30, and 32. Arguably between top 15-25 players. Half step out their prime but work together great.
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I would take Dirk.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:54 PM   #23
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KG didn't want the trade, until Ray was traded there. That convinced him.


Technically, Lebron was traded too.

Minnesota gave Garnett the choice as a way of thanking him for being a great servant to the club as a whole.
Cleveland got a trade exception and some picks as Miami's way of saying "thanks for the best player in the league, SUCKERS"

Now that we've arrived at the argument again, let's revisit why Dirk is not better than KG.

Help defence: KG
Man-to-man defence: KG
Rebounding: KG
Passing: KG
3pt shooting: Dirk
Midrange: wash
finishing: wash
Athleticism: KG
Leadership/intangibles: KG

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Old 02-24-2013, 03:58 PM   #24
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You are so full of sh*t. Marion and Kidd had the best defensive run of all time?
Dirk had the 3rd most 4th quarter scoring average of all time. He was the finals leading rebounder of both teams. He played better man-to-man defense than Chandler for most games (see Aldridge's scoring against him compared to his scoring when Dirk covered him). While obviously Chandler was the defensive anchor, Dirk did so much more than just scoring.

Oh, and said Kobe got vastly outplayed in the semi-finals by Dirk. It was not even close. And the reason for Dirk not winning a single game in the year after the championship? Well, for starters, how about that almost the complete team was gone? Three of the finals starters?

Don't even bother. Somehow having the most clutch playoff run of all time...or at least since MJ retired...while winning a title without another all nba or all star player...while going through one of the toughest roads...if not the toughest road to a title in the last 30 years....is...wait for it....

Because of Tyson Chandler...a guy that couldn't even average a double double

Standard...
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:01 PM   #25
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Minnesota gave Garnett the choice as a way of thanking him for being a great servant to the club as a whole.
Cleveland got a trade exception and some picks as Miami's way of saying "thanks for the best player in the league, SUCKERS"

Now that we've arrived at the argument again, let's revisit why Dirk is not better than KG.

Help defence: KG
Man-to-man defence: KG
Rebounding: KG
Passing: KG
3pt shooting: Dirk
Midrange: wash
finishing: wash
Athleticism: KG
Leadership/intangibles: KG

Count em
Sorry, your in analysis crap doesn't work for me. Here's my analysis: If I want to win a championship I pick Dirk because he needs less help and can take over a game at will. He proved that in 2011. KG can NOT EVEN COME CLOSE to taking over a game like Dirk. Dirk is one of those rare players who are: Loyal, Dedicated, Humble, Hard Working, Motivated, and has all of the qualities that he can take a team all the way with a crappy second option like Terry. KG proved he couldnt do that.
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Minnesota gave Garnett the choice as a way of thanking him for being a great servant to the club as a whole.
Cleveland got a trade exception and some picks as Miami's way of saying "thanks for the best player in the league, SUCKERS"

Now that we've arrived at the argument again, let's revisit why Dirk is not better than KG.

Help defence: KG
Man-to-man defence: KG
Rebounding: KG
Passing: KG
3pt shooting: Dirk
Midrange: wash
finishing: wash
Athleticism: KG
Leadership/intangibles: KG

Count em

Help defence: KG
Man-to-man defence: KG
Rebounding: KG
Passing: Dörk
3pt shooting: Dirk
Midrange: Dörk
finishing: Dörk
Athleticism: KG
Leadership/intangibles: Dörk

At least at leadership and intangibles, i really have to aks, what you understand about it.

he lead a team full of semisrubs to a title; he never comlains and gives far lesser skilled players the opportunity to shine; by will, i suppose. as if garnett would have given srubs like stojakovic in his age or bearea this time to shine, especially the time where they absolutely sucked, before developing.

i dont want to interfere in the kg vs dirk ranging match, because i dont care about rankings anyways, but your matchup is flawed.
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Call me when KG can carry a team like 2011 Dirk.
What was your phone number from 98-07?
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No he isn't. Dirk is a better shooter than KG. But overall player, its KG. U gotta play both ends of the floor, Dirk does not give you that. KG will. KG is a better leader than Dirk. If we are talking about shooting and just plain offense, yeah Dirk is better. But overall player, hands down KG is your guy.
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What was your phone number from 98-07?
How many rings did he win in those years?
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How many rings did he win in those years?
How many teammates of his stepped in playoff time like he did?
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