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Old 02-24-2013, 04:40 PM   #31
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How many teammates of his stepped in playoff time like he did?
That goes for both these guys.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:42 PM   #32
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That goes for both these guys.
wtf does that even mean?

I'm saying KG has carried his team like Dirk did and more, but didnt win a ring due to lack of support? How does that go both ways when Dirk has always had the better teams when both were in the West?
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:43 PM   #33
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wtf does that even mean?

I'm saying KG has carried his team like Dirk did and more, but didnt win a ring due to lack of support? How does that go both ways when Dirk has always had the better teams when both were in the West?
Jason Terry was his second option in 2011
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:46 PM   #34
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Jason Terry was his second option in 2011
and he played well. Extremely well in fact. Along with Kidd,Marion,Barera,etc...

KG had Sprewell and Cassell.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:46 PM   #35
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Jason Terry was his second option in 2011
And Tyson Chandler was his defensive anchor.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:47 PM   #36
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and he played well. Extremely well in fact. Along with Kidd,Marion,Barera,etc...

KG had Sprewell and Cassell.
Who didn't even play in the WCF.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:48 PM   #37
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wtf does that even mean?

I'm saying KG has carried his team like Dirk did and more, but didnt win a ring due to lack of support? How does that go both ways when Dirk has always had the better teams when both were in the West?
Dirk clearly had better teams for most of his career. However, for most of his runs, those teams were a) not clear championship material, and b) did Dirk's teammates not step up for a lot of his runs. Terry is a great example for that. He had a history of making a disappearing act in the years prior to 2011.

Why are KG fans so sensitive? I'm not even railing on Garnett, just putting things into focus.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:01 PM   #38
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I think Garnett was a better player in the sense that he always had a larger influence over the game as a whole - but Dirk was a unique talent and I can see why some would take him over Garnett.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:04 PM   #39
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and he played well. Extremely well in fact. Along with Kidd,Marion,Barera,etc...

KG had Sprewell and Cassell.

Not sure what the facepalm is for, since Sprewell and Cassell both played very well in the playoffs. Infact, both played much better as individuals in 2004 in the playoffs than any of Nowitzki's teammates in 2011 did individually.

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Who didn't even play in the WCF.

Cassell did play in the WCF.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:15 PM   #40
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Help defence: KG
Man-to-man defence: KG
Rebounding: KG
Passing: Dörk
3pt shooting: Dirk
Midrange: Dörk
finishing: Dörk
Athleticism: KG
Leadership/intangibles: Dörk

At least at leadership and intangibles, i really have to aks, what you understand about it.

he lead a team full of semisrubs to a title; he never comlains and gives far lesser skilled players the opportunity to shine; by will, i suppose. as if garnett would have given srubs like stojakovic in his age or bearea this time to shine, especially the time where they absolutely sucked, before developing.

i dont want to interfere in the kg vs dirk ranging match, because i dont care about rankings anyways, but your matchup is flawed.

When did Garnett complain, on his far inferior teams and horrendous front office? Watch any 06-07 Celtics game and look at their defence, manner on the court and general attitude; then watch any game with Garnett playing. It's completely different, because Garnett is a truly great teammate and leader who helped shape the Celtics into the best team in the league.

You also changed Midrange and finishing without giving a reason?
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:25 PM   #41
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Not sure what the facepalm is for, since Sprewell and Cassell both played very well in the playoffs. Infact, both played much better as individuals in 2004 in the playoffs than any of Nowitzki's teammates in 2011 did individually.



Cassell did play in the WCF.
He played like 2 games in the series. And he was hobbled in those games. They had Derrick Martin starting at PG for most of the series (although KG took over most of the ball handling responsibilities).
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He played like 2 games in the series. And he was hobbled in those games. They had Derrick Martin starting at PG for most of the series (although KG took over most of the ball handling responsibilities).

I know.

I should have clarified into that from what you just said, but saying he didn't play wasn't true.

If Cassell was healthy, they probably would have won the series.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:37 PM   #43
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Completely different players.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:46 PM   #44
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Midrange: Dörk
finishing: Dörk

The Last 7 seasons:

% at the rim - KG has better percentages every year
% from 3-9 feet - KG has better percentages every year
% from 10-15 feet - Dirk has better percentages 6/7 years
% from 16-23 feet - Dirk has better percentages 4 years, tied 2 years, and KG has 1

KG has an overall higher fg% for 6/7 years too.

So I'd give Dirk midrange but KG the better finisher.


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I know.

I should have clarified into that from what you just said, but saying he didn't play wasn't true.

If Cassell was healthy, they probably would have won the series.

He played 1 minute in game 2, 26 minutes hurt in game 3, 5 minutes in game 4, and then didn't play in games 5 and 6. That's basically not playing.

I really wish he didn't get hurt, it would've been insane to see the Lakers go down to the Wolves.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:50 PM   #45
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Not sure what the facepalm is for, since Sprewell and Cassell both played very well in the playoffs. Infact, both played much better as individuals in 2004 in the playoffs than any of Nowitzki's teammates in 2011 did individually.



Cassell did play in the WCF.

They did play great but Dirk had a wealth of depth on his team. A bunch of specialist. Dirk had perimeter defenders in Kidd,Stevenson and Marion. He had a defensive anchor in Chandler.

KG had Spree,Cassell,Wally and some hustle players. Just god awful depth on that squad in comparison to Dirk 2011 team.
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