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Old 02-21-2013, 12:44 PM   #1
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Default Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

wade = top 25-30 all time
pippen = top 20-25 all time
kareem = arguable goat
pau = top 90-100 all time


pau:

averaged 19ppg
0-12 playoff rec as 1st option
averaged only 9 rebounds as a 7 footer
4 reserve allstar games
2 all nba third teams


is currently averaging 13/8/3 on 45%fg's as a 7 foot center/power forward


as for the other 3 guys

- dwyane wade

24/5/6 career average
7 all nba teams (2 first teams)
3 all defensive teams
finals mvp
allstar mvp
9 time starting allstar


- scottie pippen


20/7/6 average from 1990-1998
16/6/5 average career
7 all nba teams (3 first teams)
10 all defensive teams ( 8 first team )
allstar mvp
7 time allstar (starting some games )



kareem abdul jabbar


24/11/3 career
15 all nba teams (10 first teams )
11 all defensive teams ( 5 first teams )
7 time mvp
2 time finals mvp
19 time allstar ( started most )




3 hall of fame legends

1 boarderline allstar for half his career. a nobody for the other half


this is why i don't care that kobe had shaq for his first 3 rings... his 3 straight finals, back 2 back titles/finals mvps with a guy like pau gasol is something nobody else has ever done in nba history

hakeem did it once ( then won in 95 with a legend )

walton did it once

barry did it once

dirk did it once ( but lately its been obvious tyson chandler as a defensive anchor was the real reason the mavs were dominant )

duncan did it once in 2003

only these guys had comparable running mates for a single title

every other big name in nba history to lead a team to a championship did it with a legendary side kick

kobe did it with a bum................TWICE
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:46 PM   #2
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

Not being a high caliber star historically doesnt mean him a bum.
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:49 PM   #3
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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Not being a high caliber star historically doesnt mean him a bum.


but he was a bum

hes pau gasol

the softest player in history

couldnt rebound the ball at 7 feet tall

could barely jump over a sheet of paper

settles for 20 footers

gets dunked on by 6-4 players




he was solid when the lakers won titles. but he was still one of the 5 worst 2nd options in championship history

and he should NOT make the hall of fame just because of a few silver medals from the olympics
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:50 PM   #4
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

Pau was great in the 09 & 10 Playoffs.
18/11/3/2 58FG
20/11/4/2 54FG

"Bum"
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:50 PM   #5
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

dirk did it once ( but lately its been obvious tyson chandler as a defensive anchor was the real reason the mavs were dominant )


You are an idiot. Dirk hasn't been playing like in 2011 playoffs, how can you get to this stupid conclusion?
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:51 PM   #6
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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Pau was great in the 09 & 10 Playoffs.
18/11/3 58FG
20/11/4 54FG

"Bum"


i said he was solid during the titles

hes a bum career wise


without kobe he would have had a career similar to shareef abdur rahim
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:52 PM   #7
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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dirk did it once ( but lately its been obvious tyson chandler as a defensive anchor was the real reason the mavs were dominant )


You are an idiot. Dirk hasn't been playing like in 2011 playoffs, how can you get to this stupid conclusion?


i dunno... the knicks suddenly a title contender and a solid defensive team?

tyson is obviously a garnett type defensive anchor out there
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

Gasol averaged 20 and 11 and 2 blocks per game on 54% shooting in the 2010 playoffs. What a bum
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

Gasol was robbed of a fmvp
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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i said he was solid during the titles

hes a bum career wise


without kobe he would have had a career similar to shareef abdur rahim

and without shaq and gasol and phil jackson kobe would have had a career similar to allen iverson.

so what? means nothing....

Gasol during the two title runs was absolutely great. Way better than his numbers even suggest considering how clutch he was as well.
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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Gasol was robbed of a fmvp


33/8/6 2009 finals average

30/6/5 2010 finals average


main play maker, main ball handler too

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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

Kobe shot 25% on the most shot attempts in Game 7 and benefitted from the other team's defensive anchor going down with an injury for one of those rings.

I don't even care if you classify Gasol as a "bum", but it's impossible to paint Kobe as a hero who carried that team when others had to clean up his mess.
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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33/8/6 2009 finals average

30/6/5 2010 finals average


main play maker, main ball handler too


30/6/5 are pretty good numbers for a sidekick
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Default Re: Lebron+wade= 1, Jordan+pippen=6, magic+kareem=5, Kobe+pau= 2

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and without shaq and gasol and phil jackson kobe would have had a career similar to allen iverson.

so what? means nothing....

Gasol during the two title runs was absolutely great. Way better than his numbers even suggest considering how clutch he was as well.


i know everyone needs help

kobe just needed allot less than 90% of finals mvps

ofcourse if you take off your 2nd best player itel be hard to win

just saying kobes second best player for 2 straight titles was PAU GASOFT


lakers might be one of the only teams in history to win a title with ZERO interior defense

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