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Old 02-25-2013, 01:54 PM   #1
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Default Clippers and Wizards Had Trade Veto'd By Sterling At Deadline

"The Los Angeles Clippers and Washington Wizards had an agreement in principle on the eve of the deadline involving a trade of Caron Butler for Trevor Ariza, according to sources.

Donald Sterling rejected the trade a few hours before the deadline in fear of ruining the team's chemistry.

Butler continues to have a home in the Washington D.C. area, while Ariza would have given the Clippers a wing defender with length."

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Wow Sterling really seems to care about these guys and what the team does lately . Kudos to this veto. Butler is better than Ariza this year. They do similar things but the difference is Butler has experience and leadership he gives this team, not to mention he's a great chemistry guy.

This would have been categorized as "Making a trade, just to make a trade".



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Default Re: Clippers and Wizards Had Trade Veto'd By Sterling At Deadline

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Old 02-25-2013, 01:57 PM   #3
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Default Re: Clippers and Wizards Had Trade Veto'd By Sterling At Deadline

Imagine Ariza comes to the Clippers, it would be LAL all over again.
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Default Re: Clippers and Wizards Had Trade Veto'd By Sterling At Deadline

Wha??? If he veto'd this he is a fool.
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:59 PM   #5
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Wha??? If he veto'd this he is a fool.

Ariza isn't the Ariza of the Lakers anymore bro. He's putting up 8 ppg on 40 percent shooting from the field, 31 percent from deep. Butler is putting up 10 ppg on 43 percent shooting from the field 39 from deep. Not to mention Ariza would have been a 3 month rental anyways. Just makes ZERO sense to pull off this trade. 3 years ago sure, not now.

The main thing Clippers fans should take from this is Donald caring about team chemistry enough to veto it. That's a big step up from the old Sterling.
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good veto. dont break up the chemistry when the starting unit hasnt really played together all year long yet
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Default Re: Clippers and Wizards Had Trade Veto'd By Sterling At Deadline

That's a stupid veto.


Ariza runs the floor much better than Butler does. He does a better job spotting open in the corner than Butler does. Butler just clutters the offense by standing in midrange land and waiting for Paul to feed him for a jumpshot that he chooses to iso into a jumpshot.


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Ariza isn't the Ariza of the Lakers anymore bro. He's putting up 8 ppg on 40 percent shooting from the field, 31 percent from deep. Butler is putting up 10 ppg on 43 percent shooting from the field 39 from deep. Not to mention Ariza would have been a 3 month rental anyways. Just makes ZERO sense to pull off this trade. 3 years ago sure, not now.

The main thing Clippers fans should take from this is Donald caring about team chemistry enough to veto it. That's a big step up from the old Sterling.



Caron Butler isn't the same Caron Butler anymore either. And Ariza is the same player he was on the Lakers, but playing with worse teammates. That's the only difference.

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Caron>Trevor this year. People don't understand that while Caron is streaky in general nowadays he's been good the last month or more for the most part and his leadership and locker room presence is huge. He's one of our 3 main vets who keep guys in line along with CP3+Billups. Factor in that he's an unrestricted free agent this year and it's a no brainer. Sterling won the day.

BTW Butler is one of the best spot up shooters in the NBA this year, much better than Ariza I believe. A shooting chart should be available to verify this.
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Bad veto. Ariza was exactly what the Clippers need. For one thing, he's totally useless with the ball in his hands, so wouldn't distract from Paul and Griffin being LA's offense. For another, he is long, and this Clips team is in desperate need of length.

And Butler is exactly what the Wizards need.

Both players are totally wasted on the teams they're on.
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Caron>Trevor this year. People don't understand that while Caron is streaky in general nowadays he's been good the last month or more for the most part and his leadership and locker room presence is huge. He's one of our 3 main vets who keep guys in line along with CP3+Billups.
It's about having the right players not the best players. And as you said, CP3 + Billups. Not everyone on the team has to be a leader. He's wasted there. All he does is spot shoot. They need defense and off-ball play from their starting SF.
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Ariza isn't the Ariza of the Lakers anymore bro. He's putting up 8 ppg on 40 percent shooting from the field, 31 percent from deep. Butler is putting up 10 ppg on 43 percent shooting from the field 39 from deep. Not to mention Ariza would have been a 3 month rental anyways. Just makes ZERO sense to pull off this trade. 3 years ago sure, not now.

The main thing Clippers fans should take from this is Donald caring about team chemistry enough to veto it. That's a big step up from the old Sterling.
Ariza doesn't get much playing time. When he gets court time, the results aren't half as bad as what you just posted. Plus he's playing for the Wizards..Caron Butler has been solid as well, but look at the players he's surrounded by.
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Ariza has to be one of the 10 worst offensive players this season. I would have applauded this trade as a wizards fan
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Default Re: Clippers and Wizards Had Trade Veto'd By Sterling At Deadline

bad veto. ariza is a champion, he was integral when the lakers won in 09. a lot more important than artest was the following year thats for sure. butler also has a ring with the mavs... but we know how much that means when he wasnt even playing for them due to injury

ariza is stinkin it up because look at the team he's on. id love him on the knicks, but instead of the arizas the knicks pick up ronnie brewers and jr smiths. put ariza on a contender... and he could be as big as he was for the lakers in their return to championship form. hes still young and athletic.
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Caron>Trevor this year. People don't understand that while Caron is streaky in general nowadays he's been good the last month or more for the most part and his leadership and locker room presence is huge. He's one of our 3 main vets who keep guys in line along with CP3+Billups. Factor in that he's an unrestricted free agent this year and it's a no brainer. Sterling won the day.

BTW Butler is one of the best spot up shooters in the NBA this year, much better than Ariza I believe. A shooting chart should be available to verify this.
how does caron becoming a unrestricted free agent make this veto a no-brainer?
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Old 02-25-2013, 02:16 PM   #15
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how does caron becoming a unrestricted free agent make this veto a no-brainer?

Ariza is the unrestricted free agent. Basically a 3 month rental which is pointless to break up team chemistry over. Butler isn't a terrible contract really considering he's got just 1 more year left and I think he's been a big part of the development of our young core, so we shouldn't just trade him just to trade him.

As for the poster who said Ariza is good defensively, Butler's defense the last month and a half or so has been very very solid after he talked about stepping up. This just feels like a very neutral trade with not much of a chance to retain Ariza anyways.
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