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Old 02-25-2013, 06:32 PM   #16
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Default Re: Best bigs defending on the perimeter? Best wings defending in the post?

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Thread creator seems like he might have been scheming for this answer to begin with ... IE LeBron. Same goes for his last thread (best full court and half court players)

I wouldn't consider Pippen or LeBron bigs. They are wings. Not smalls (PG / SG) or bigs (PF / C) ... they are small forwards.

The drifter position between back court and front court. Usually the most versatile position guy on the team by nature, given their size, guard like skill set and athletic ability in comparison to the heavier, slower of foot power forwards and big men.

False. I was going for Hakeem/Pippen respectively. LeBron is a tough sell for me, since he's still active and entering his prime. Definitely versatile, but I need to see sustained success (it looked like he'd taken a step back earlier this year, but LeBron's been great for the past couple months).

I don't have a pro-LeBron agenda, and I'm not sure that anything in my posting history would suggest otherwise.

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Hakeem, Garnett and Russell. Pretty much the best All-time trio what concerns bigs and versatility. DRob isnt far back too.

Might even give a nod to Rus and KG, because they communicated, ran their team D (including perimeter) as a well oiled machine.

Hakeem and DRob relied purely on their own freakish athleticizm and quickness. While it was an elite D, but it cant be as effective as a team D, orchestrated on such level by only two guys in NBA history.

Russ is another great mention. I like the DRob nomination as well.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:50 PM   #17
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Hakeem, Garnett and Russell. Pretty much the best All-time trio what concerns bigs and versatility. DRob isnt far back too.

Might even give a nod to Rus and KG, because they communicated, ran their team D (including perimeter) as a well oiled machine.

Hakeem and DRob relied purely on their own freakish athleticizm and quickness. While it was an elite D, but it cant be as effective as a team D, orchestrated on such level by only two guys in NBA history.

Wait... Are you saying Hakeem was not a good team defender???
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:55 PM   #18
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I think Taj Gibson does a good job defending the perimeter.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:57 PM   #19
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Didn't Bobby Jones play PF? Yet he's considered arguably the best perimeter defender of all time.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:14 PM   #20
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Default Re: Best bigs defending on the perimeter? Best wings defending in the post?

David Robinson is definitely up there with Hakeem and Garnett for me in terms of best bigs defending on the perimeter.

Just an example since it's the most recent one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2IN0DgyRcM

^3:35 of this video. Yeah, I'm aware its the All-Star game but it's a very impressive play nonetheless. Isiah isolates against Robinson, drives baseline and Robinson strips him straight up (receives no help) showcasing how much ground he could cover + the quickness of his hands. That's not prime Isiah in terms of explosion but like I said, it doesn't make the play any less impressive.

He was very quick both laterally which could help him in switches, had long arms, closed out well and played good overall pick and roll defense.

Ben Wallace is another big who was good on the perimeter.

Anthony Mason is definitely a great post-defender for a wing with the caveat being whether he was a true wing or not since he was a tweener forward imo. His post-defense on Hakeem was very impressive in the finals as he was able to push him away from the basket.

Payton was very impressive in the post with his long arms, intense, tenacious defense + he was very good at fronting/ball-denial.

Rodman was another guy very good in the post especially due to his core strength and how much effort he'd put in but I'm not familiar with his Detroit years as much so I'm not sure how effective his post-defense was back then. It was great in the Spurs and Bulls years (except the times where he wasn't in it mentally) but he was playing the 4 so I'm not sure if you can count those particular years.

Kenyon Martin in his prime was pretty good out on the perimeter, not KG-level but he'd hold his own against swingmen. I remember Karl put him on Kobe in the 2008 Nuggets/Lakers series for short stretches, it wasn't that effective but it was better relative to anyone else on the team + that was a prime Kobe. It was even better in the Nets years where he was more explosive. Solid hands too.

Kidd too was good at defending the post (smart, quick hands, strong) which reminds me that Nets squad had very good perimeter D.

Everyone else has already been mentioned.
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Wait... Are you saying Hakeem was not a good team defender???

You mean help defender? Sure he was. He didnt orchestrated the team's defense though, that was my point.
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Garnett(not so much now) and Noah are great at checking guards

Shane battier is a great defender that doesn't get enough props on his versatility he checks low post players very well and more often than lebron
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:26 PM   #23
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You mean help defender? Sure he was. He didnt orchestrated the team's defense though, that was my point.

What??? Dude anchored the Rocket's defense...
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:36 PM   #24
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Today and all-time.

I have a good idea of who the first few names thrown out there will be, but after them there will probably be some interesting mentions.

Anyhow, who comes to mind?

Today- Lebron (for both)
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:37 PM   #25
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You mean help defender? Sure he was. He didnt orchestrated the team's defense though, that was my point.


you need to listen to Kenny talk about hakeem on open court. He was such a quick defender on the PnR that often he could guard both the guard and the big, which gave his guard a ton of leeway. He also leads all bigs in steals all time

Hakeem getting underrated again
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What??? Dude anchored the Rocket's defense...

You completely missed what he was saying.
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Default Re: Best bigs defending on the perimeter? Best wings defending in the post?

All time is probably Garnett and Hakeem and Rodman.

Wings defending the post is more about denial that anything else. I'll go with Jordan,Pippen,Artest (He could actually defend big 4's), Moncrief.
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Default Re: Best bigs defending on the perimeter? Best wings defending in the post?

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you need to listen to Kenny talk about hakeem on open court. He was such a quick defender on the PnR that often he could guard both the guard and the big, which gave his guard a ton of leeway. He also leads all bigs in steals all time

Hakeem getting underrated again

Those are all true but individual traits. Why people ignore not only offense can be run by someone (lets say PG), defense can be run too. Maybe because its very rare?

To put in the perspective, Hakeem, DRob, Rodman, etc. in the defense are like scorers in the offense - they do it individualy. What Russell and Garnett did, they ran D like Magic runs offense.
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Default Re: Best bigs defending on the perimeter? Best wings defending in the post?

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You completely missed what he was saying.

No I am not, dude was vocal. He was the qb of that defense.
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Those are all true but individual traits. Why people ignore not only offense can be run by someone (lets say PG), defense can be run too. Maybe because its very rare?

To put in the perspective, Hakeem, DRob, Rodman, etc. in the defense are like scorers in the offense - they do it individualy. What Russell and Garnett did, they ran D like Magic runs offense.


When you say that someone "runs the defense" I just assumed that we were talking about the person who's strengths were most depended on to be successful. I get what you're saying though.
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