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Old 02-26-2013, 08:46 PM   #16
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This thread is not about Heat s titles or Lakers 15 other titles. It s about 2002. You know that it was rigged and that it deserves an asterick and this is why you bought Heat s titles and Lakers other titles.
If you are goin to say 02 WCF was rigged, then what about the 06 Finals?
Can you compare the FTA numbers?
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" too many of the calls in the fourth quarter were stunningly incorrect , all against Sacramento. I have never seen officiating in a game of this consequence as bad as that in Game 6." - Michael Wilborn Washington Post
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:47 PM   #18
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If you are goin to say 02 WCF was rigged, then what about the 06 Finals?
Can you compare the FTA numbers?

It s not about FTA numbers. It s about the ref himself admitting that it was rigged.
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It also happened against the Celtics game 7 finals.

This.

I would say 2000 WCF against Portland was rigged

37 vs 16 FTA for LA with Sabonis fouling out on very weak calls - let's not forget Portland had a 15 pt. lead in the 4th quarter.

2002 WCF isn't even debatable; one can only debate WHY it was fixed. Ratings? $$$$?

2006 was pretty shady as well. Stern hates Mark Cuban is probably the "why" here.

2010 4th quarter game 7 of the Finals was VERY shady too.

So really, Kobe has about 2 true rings; 2001 and 2009. That's it.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:51 PM   #20
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" I've been covering the NBA for 30 years, and it's the poorest officiating in a important game I've ever seen," David Dupree USA Today
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Ralph Nader's letter to the COMMISH after the game:

Dear Mr. Stern,
At a time when the public's confidence is shaken by headlines reporting the breach of trust by corporate executives, it is important during the public's relaxation time, for there to be maintained a sense of impartiality and professionalism in commercial sports performances.
That sense was severely shaken in the now now notorious officiating during Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals between the Los Angeles Lakers and the Sacramento Kings.
Calls by the referees in the NBA are likely to be more subjective than in professional baseball or football. But as the judicious and balanced Washington Post sports columnist Michael Wilborn wrote this Sunday, too many of the calls in the fourth quarter ( when the Lakers received 27 foul shots ) were " stunningly incorrect ," all against Sacramento. After noting that the three referees in Game 6 " are three of the best in the game," he wrote: I have never seen officiating in a game of this consequence as bad as that in Game 6. .....When Pollard on his sixth foul and final foul, didn't as much as touch Shaq. Didn't touch any part of him. You could see it on TV, see it at courtside. It wasn't a foul in any league in the world. And Divac, on his fifth foul, didn't foul Shaq. They weren't subjective or borderline or debatable. And these fouls not only resulted in free throws, they helped disqualify Sacramento's two low-post defenders. " And one might add, in a 106-102 Lakers victory, this officiating took away what would have been a Sacramento series victory in 6 games.
This was not all. The Kobe Bryant elbow in the nose of Mike Bibby, who after lying on the floor groggy, went to the sideline bleeding, was in full view of the referee, who did nothing, prompted many fans to start wondering about what was motivating these officials.
Wiborn discounted any conspiracy theories about the NBA-NBC desire for a Game 7 etc, but unless the NBA orders a review of this game's officiating, perceptions and suspicions, however presently absent any evidence, will abound and lead to more distrust and distaste for the games in general. When the distinguished basketball writer for USA TODAY, David Dupree, can say: " I've been covering the NBA for 30 years, and it's the poorest officiating in a important game I've ever seen," when Wiborn writes that " The Kings and Lakers didn't decide this series would be extended until Sunday, three referees did...." when thousands of fans, not just those in Sacramento , felt the merit lost to bad refereeing, you need to take notice beyond the usual and widespread grumbling by fans and columnist about referees ignoring the rule book and giving advantages to home teams and superstars.
Your problem in addressing the pivotal Game 6 situation is that you have to much power. Where else can a decision -makers ( the referees ) escape all responsibility to admit serious and egregious errors and have their bosses ( you ) fine those wronged ( the players and coaches ) who dare to speak out critically ?
In a February interview with David Dupree of USA TODAY, he asked you " Why aren't coaches and players allowed to criticize the referees ?" You said, "...we don't want people questioning the integrity of officials....It just doesn't pay for us to do anything other than focus on the game it's self rather than the officiating." " Integrity" which we take you to mean " professionalism" of the referees has to be earned and when it's not, it has to be questioned. You and your league have a large credibility problem. Referees are human and make mistakes, but there comes a point that goes beyond any random display of poor performance. That point was reached in Game 6 which took away the Sacramento Kings Western Conference victory.
It seems you have a choice. You can continue to exercise your absolute power to do nothing. Or you can initiate a review and if all these observers and fans turn out to be right, issue, together with the referees , an apology to the Sacramento Kings and forthrightly admit decisive incompetence during Game 6, especially in the crucial fourth quarter.
You should know, however, that absolute power, if you choose the former course of inaction, invites the time when it is challenged and changed-whether by more withdrawal of fans or by more formal legal or legislative action. No government in our country can lawfully stifle free speech and fine those who exercise it, the NBA under present circumstances can both stifle and fine players and coaches who speak up. There is no guarantee that this tyrannical status will remain stable over time, should you refuse to bend to reason and the reality of what occurred. A review that satisfies the fan's sense of fairness and deters future recurrences would be a salutary contribution to the public trust that the NBA badly needs.
We look forward to your considered response.
Sincerely,
Ralph Nader
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:56 PM   #22
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I would say 2000 WCF against Portland was rigged

37 vs 16 FTA for LA with Sabonis fouling out on very weak calls - let's not forget Portland had a 15 pt. lead in the 4th quarter.

2002 WCF isn't even debatable; one can only debate WHY it was fixed. Ratings? $$$$?

2006 was pretty shady as well. Stern hates Mark Cuban is probably the "why" here.

2010 4th quarter game 7 of the Finals was VERY shady too.

So really, Kobe has about 2 true rings; 2001 and 2009. That's it.

Stern
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"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be "company men," always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

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Says its not about FTA, but then says its Stern because of FTA.
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Watch this video of the fouls being called on Sac's bigs if you need more proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTU94XgLsTw
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Watch this video of the fouls being called on Sac's bigs if you need more proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTU94XgLsTw

these fouls
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So the lakers have 15.5 championships now instead of 16? Damn I just lost all my respect for that franchise.
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Watch this video of the fouls being called on Sac's bigs if you need more proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTU94XgLsTw
Where's your video showing all the terrible calls from game 5 that favored Sacramento in order to "extend the series."

Oh yeah, you have an agenda, that's where.
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I would say 2000 WCF against Portland was rigged

37 vs 16 FTA for LA with Sabonis fouling out on very weak calls - let's not forget Portland had a 15 pt. lead in the 4th quarter.

2002 WCF isn't even debatable; one can only debate WHY it was fixed. Ratings? $$$$?

2006 was pretty shady as well. Stern hates Mark Cuban is probably the "why" here.

2010 4th quarter game 7 of the Finals was VERY shady too.

So really, Kobe has about 2 true rings; 2001 and 2009. That's it.


So that leaves Shaq with one then yeah?
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It depends how you mean. Lakers legitimately won the finals. Anyone who says otherwise is a Laker hater or a retard.

The WCF is, well, you know.
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