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Old 03-02-2015, 12:01 AM   #1
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The man continues to scuffle with four of the officers, even after he's wrestled to the ground. What appears to be one of the officers is heard saying "Drop the gun. Drop the gun."

Then, at least one of the officers opens fire on the man, who remained on the ground with at least two officers near him.

Five gunshots are heard on the recording.

Police have not identified the dead man or said how many officers were involved, or how many shots were fired. The man was declared dead at a hospital shortly after the shooting, which occurred about noon, according to police spokesman Sgt. Barry Montgomery.

The officers had responded to a robbery call in the 500 block of San Pedro Street, Montgomery said. He added that at one point during the struggle a Taser had been deployed, but investigators did not know if it was used on the man who was subsequently shot.

No officers were injured during the altercation, Montgomery said.

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Witnesses at the scene identified the victim by his street name, “Africa”, and gave conflicting accounts of what they saw.

Dennis Horne, 29, said Africa had been fighting with someone else in his tent when police arrived.

When Africa refused to comply with a police order to come out of the tent, officers used the Taser on him and dragged him out, Horne said. The officers tackled Africa to the ground, where he continued to fight, which led to the fatal shooting, according to Horne.

“It's sad,” Horne said. “There's no justification to take somebody's life.”

Another witness, Lonnie Franklin, 53, said five to six officers pulled up in three to four cars as Africa was lying face down on the sidewalk. The officers approached with guns drawn yelling, ”Down, down,” according to Franklin.

When Africa got up and started fighting, the officers “went straight to lethal force,” Franklin said.

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But Jose Gil, 38 , said he saw the man swinging at the police and then heard one of the officers say, “Gun, gun, he's got my gun!” before police fired multiple shots.

Another witness, who asked not to be identified, said the man punched and kicked the officers and reached for one of their service weapons before the officers fired at least seven times.

An area resident, who identified himself as Booker T. Washington, said police had come by repeatedly to ask Africa to take down his tent. People are allowed to sleep on the streets from 9 p.m to 6 a.m., but they are supposed to remove their tents in the daytime under a court agreement.

“This man got shot over a tent,” Washington said.

Ina Murphy, who lives in an apartment nearby, said Africa had arrived in the area about four or five months ago. He told her he had recently been released after spending 10 years in a mental facility, Murphy said.

Police Commission President Steve Soboroff first saw the video of the shooting via social media. He was watching it again when reached by a Times reporter Sunday evening, trying to hear what exactly the officers had said to the man.

"My heart just started pounding just watching it," Soboroff said. "I feel the adrenaline. These situations are just so horrific."

Soboroff said a key issue would be whether the man did in fact try to grab the officer's gun, as some witnesses have told reporters. Otherwise, he said, it's unclear what might have prompted the use of deadly force.

"To me, that would be the only explanation that something would happen that quickly," Soboroff said. "It escalated. It escalated right in front of our eyes."

He stressed that the LAPD, its independent inspector general and the district attorney's office would all investigate the shooting "very, very carefully."

"Of course I would encourage people not to rush to judgment. It's not fair to anybody. It's not fair to the family of the victim or the victim or the officers," he said. "We'll find out what happened."

Montgomery said Sunday evening that investigators were in the process of interviewing "loads of people" who were in the area at the time of the shooting. He said there would potentially be more video recordings of the incident, noting that he could see two surveillance cameras mounted on buildings at the scene.

It was still unclear how many officers fired their weapons or what was said to the man before he was shot, Montgomery said.

Montgomery said the video of the events leading up to the shooting appears to back the initial report that a Taser was used. He said the "click-click-click" sound that accompanies the use of the device can be heard on the recording.

According to a Times data analysis, there have been 12 fatal officer-involved shootings in downtown Los Angeles since 2000. There were none in 2014 and one in 2015 before Sunday's violence

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Old 03-02-2015, 12:10 AM   #2
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LA...ok now it's really on
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:12 AM   #3
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hmmm they say he got one of the officer's guns?

"drop the gun, drop the gun"

hard to tell...

seemed like the guy was being held down by 2-3 officers though

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Old 03-02-2015, 01:00 AM   #4
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Why the hell do people resist the police?

If you are innocent, you don't win against the police on the street...you win against them in court.
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Old 03-02-2015, 01:03 AM   #5
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Why the hell do people resist the police?

If you are innocent, you don't win against the police on the street...you win against them in court.


Well, in this case it appears to be because he was a skid-row crackhead.
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Old 03-02-2015, 01:41 AM   #6
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I hope they riot. SRS. I hope a cop dies in LA over this. I won't feel bad at all. One innocent dead for another innocent. There has to be a price. Police need consequences.
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Old 03-02-2015, 01:48 AM   #7
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I hope they riot. SRS. I hope a cop dies in LA over this. I won't feel bad at all. One innocent dead for another innocent. There has to be a price. Police need consequences.




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Old 03-02-2015, 02:30 AM   #8
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Why the hell do people resist the police?

If you are innocent, you don't win against the police on the street...you win against them in court.
they resist potential exectioners, as would all.
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Old 03-02-2015, 04:45 AM   #9
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wtf kind of training do police get nowadays?

i mean, if the man was struggling with other police officers, why the **** would you fire on him? you coulda hit your own men, ffs!

trigger happy policemen are everywhere!

it's like they don't even screen these guys anymore.

you want a gun?

here, take this badge and patrol the streets
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that happened so quickly.
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Old 03-02-2015, 08:33 AM   #11
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I hope they riot. SRS. I hope a cop dies in LA over this. I won't feel bad at all. One innocent dead for another innocent. There has to be a price. Police need consequences.
I hope people do riot, and hopefully they burn down your house in the process for saying such a scummy thing.

Hoping for some unknown individual, whose life and personality you do not know anything about, to be murdered, in reprisal for another event that has nothing to do with you and which you know nothing about, is the sign of a real piece of shit, a petty and vengeful low-life, with a bloodlust when it comes to situations which do not involve him.

i.e. a coward who wants someone else to be killed (obviously, from afar) for not being as much of a coward as they are. A coward putting on a front of childish bravado is what you are. I'd like to see you go and inform the family against whom the right and just 'price' and 'reprisal' had been made, and that whoever's father/husband/son/brother had been killed to even up the score and satisfy your piece of mind.

That's how the tribal societies of old used to live (a life would be sacrificed to balance things out, to bring peace between tribes). I see this tribal instinct still runs hot in your blood. I'm only glad we have a Constitutional framework that specifically guards against such petty tribalism, and seeks to protect the rights of the individual against such arbitrary nonsense.
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:23 AM   #12
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they resist potential exectioners, as would all.

If they are really looking to kill, you really think resisting is going to help?

Obviously any kind of non-compliance is going to increase the leeway for them to shoot you.

If you are going to get arrested, there's nothing you can do. Don't move a muscle against them, and you won't get blasted.
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Why the hell do people resist the police?

If you are innocent, you don't win against the police on the street...you win against them in court.

Because not everybody reacts rationally or intelligently in those situations.
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Just tell me if he's black or not. Otherwise I'll have no way of knowing if this is important.
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If they are really looking to kill, you really think resisting is going to help?

Obviously any kind of non-compliance is going to increase the leeway for them to shoot you.

If you are going to get arrested, there's nothing you can do. Don't move a muscle against them, and you won't get blasted.

Not always true. Sometimes they still shoot you
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