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Old 05-07-2013, 02:32 AM   #151
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to me this seems like a good compromise that ends the debate and gets everyone moving on to the next thing. but the thing is neither side wants to compromise. they want to fight, not only because of some deeply held virtue, but because they want the opportunity to taunt the other political side after they win etc. So many people are just trained monkeys. Thats all they are.

now if i were a conservative, i would happily use somethign like this as a bargaining chip. if the left would make significant, meaningful cuts to entitlements, i would offer to personally marry a hundred gay couples myself. gay marriage really isnt a big DEAL either way, whether its there or its not. IMO people should either compromise on civil unions, or compromise by saying "we'll give you gay marriage if you give us spending cuts" or something of that effect.

Just so I am not misunderstanding anything- your proposal is for the right wing to allow "civil unions" with tax benefits similar to marriage, and in exchange for this gift the left wing makes "significant, meaningful" cuts to entitlements?

To quote KevinNYC: not everyone shares your sense of "pragmatism"

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Old 05-07-2013, 03:42 AM   #152
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Just so I am not misunderstanding anything- your proposal is for the right wing to allow "civil unions" with tax benefits similar to marriage, and in exchange for this gift the left wing makes "significant, meaningful" cuts to entitlements?

No, I'm saying both sides, if they want a reasonable compromise on just this issue so that everyone can move on to something else, should agree to go the civil unions route. obviously i have not drafted any sort of civil union contract to be proposed so i couldnt tell you exactly how it would look, but i think if you include all teh basic inheritance, medical, decision making, legal, etc. etc. rights that come with marriage, but you dont necessarily include things like alimony, and whatever few marriage parameters that are based on the traditional man-woman dynamic, everyone should be happy, no? i mean the fact is, same sex relationships are not the EXACT SAME as heterosexual relationships. its not wrong to acknowledge that as fact, just like acknowledging that women are not physically equal to men as athletes. thats just teh way it is, no need to be sensitive. its not about denying anyone any basic fundamental rights, its just about creating a system tailored to same sex marriage. which is not GAY marriage. people confuse the two. right now, anyone gay or straight can marry the opposite sex. technically, that is equal. "gay" marriage is a misguided term because the word gay is ambiguous. same sex marriage is the issue and with a legitimately designed civil union contract, homosexuals or heterosexuals of the same sex could enter into a union. so in that way its designed to best suit that dynamic, while still being applied equally.


As far as bartering same sex MARRIAGE, what im saying is if the right really wants entitlement reform (and typically when push comes to shove economic issues trump everything else) then the right should offer to drop the gay weddings fight in exchange for a significant entitlement overhaul.

unfortunately tho, because i am not a particularly religious person, i think i am in the minority of how people who lean right see this. i think many of them see it as a significant blow to religion to allow two men to marry each other. which is why if the left just calls it civil unions, they can probably get just about everything they want out of it and the right will probably breathe a huge sigh of relief that its not marriage and they'll think they've won and move on. but then the left wont be happy. they want to be loud and proud and make a show of insisting they get the exact same thing as marriage.

so on the one hand, people are digging in about preserving their religious tenets.
on the other hand, people are digging in just to make a point about how everyone has to see them the way they want to.

and so which side is gonna budge? probably neither. and people who should be discussing real issues with one another will just debate this thing to death here, there, and all across america. meanwhile nobody's offering any sort of input to their government representatives about things that the people themselves really should have more input and control over.

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Old 05-07-2013, 09:21 AM   #153
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krauthammer is in the game. so he talks about it like it's a game. calling bluffs and crying wolf and investing political capital. from king of the world to dead in the water. gag me with a fking spoon.

it's pinheads like him who deliberately reduce the most important 'game' in the world to simple narrative, an easy to believe fantasy where two titanic's collide and the world munches on popcorn and comments on the explosion. it's bullshit. this stuff is important. it affects lives. pundits should comment on policy, explain potential consequences, offer their own views, and justify them with underlying values

krauthammer is just another example of an asshole who makes an honest to god citizen despise the whole circus. this article is absolutely no different. i'm not seeing what you're getting out of it rufus.


Because i knew if I posted that column everyone would attack the messenger and not the message. People on the left are just as predictable as people on the right.
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:38 AM   #154
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Because i knew if I posted that column everyone would attack the messenger and not the message. People on the left are just as predictable as people on the right.

Isn't that the whole point of credibility? If you want to sift through his bullshit, to find the occasional speck of gold dust, you're welcome to. I can think of better ways to spend your time.

I mean if you're trolling, why not go hard and post some Glenn Beck or Alex Jones nonsense.

His message is going to the same as his message five years from now about the next Democratic president. See this space in 2018.
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:11 PM   #155
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Isn't that the whole point of credibility? If you want to sift through his bullshit, to find the occasional speck of gold dust, you're welcome to. I can think of better ways to spend your time.

I mean if you're trolling, why not go hard and post some Glenn Beck or Alex Jones nonsense.

His message is going to the same as his message five years from now about the next Democratic president. See this space in 2018.


I'm not trolling. I certainly wasn't surprised that Krauthammer wrote something negative about comrade Obama, but I was surprised that it rings true. I think our prez has overplayed his hand and is really lacking as a leader atm.
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:17 PM   #156
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I'm not trolling. I certainly wasn't surprised that Krauthammer wrote something negative about comrade Obama, but I was surprised that it rings true. I think our prez has overplayed his hand and is really lacking as a leader atm.

Obama is extremely lacking as a leader, but not for the reasons that Krauthammer and the rest of the moronic right wing think he is lacking.

Obama is basically just the black version of Bush. If you cant see that its because you have been biased by the blue or red glasses through which you see the world.

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Obama extends Patriot Act without reform - [1]
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...e-surveillance

Obama sends more troops to Afghanistan (2009) - [2]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8389778.stm

Obama signs NDAA 2011 (and 2012, and 2013) - [3]
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...-act-now-what/

Obama appeals the Federal Court decision that “indefinite detention” is unconstitutional - [4]
http://www.businessinsider.com/unbel...-ruling-2012-9

Obama uses his Presidential Drone “Kill List” to kill American cleric without trial -[5]
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/wo....html?_r=2&hp&

and his 16 year old son in a separate strike - [6]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...ssL_story.html

Continues to approve drone strikes that kill thousands of innocent civilians including women and children in Pakistan, Yemen, and other countries that do not want the US intervening - [7]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rt-claims.html

Protects Bush’s war crimes as State Secrets - [8] [9] [10]
http://www.salon.com/2010/09/08/obama_138/
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/0...orse-than-bush
http://washingtonindependent.com/339...toes-bush-line

Waives sections of a law meant to prevent the recruitment of child soldiers in Africa in order to deepen military relationship with countries that have poor human rights records -[11]
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/po...child_soldiers

Appointing Monsanto, GMO company with multiple unsafe practice violations, lobbyist to head the FDA - [12]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...dZcQ_blog.html

Continuing prohibition and Federal attacks on marijuana dispensaries that are legal pursuant with state law - [13]
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=685_1342311527

Protects AG Holder from Congressional “Fast and Furious” gun walking investigations - [14]
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ous-documents/

Bringing no charges against bank executives that misused bailouts - [15]
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/op...unishment.html

Engaging in a war on whistleblowers - [16]
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/31/th...histleblowers/

Grants immunity to CIA torturers - [17]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...h-cia-torturer

Quadrupling Bush's warrantless wiretapping program - [18]
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...tless-Wiretaps

Continuing military tribunals he vowed to end - [19]
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-07/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

Allowed innocent man to die at gitmo - [20]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzann...b_1878375.html

Violating the War Powers Act of 1973 - [21]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/op...1Ackerman.html

Signed Anti-protest law - [22]
http://rt.com/usa/news/trespass-bill-obama-secret-227/

Deported more immigrants than any other president - [23]
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-any-other-pr/

Increasing Drug War budget - [24]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/the-...ing-highlights

Defends raids on Amish raw milk farmers - [25]
http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/10/ob...y-czar-defends

Granting the FBI access to private electronic communication without warrant - [26]
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/op...fri1.html?_r=3

Building an even more intrusive TSA - [27]
http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/218543.html

Says it’s legal to track individuals by pinpointing their cellphone without warrant - [28]
http://www.businessinsider.com/gover...phones-2012-10

Renewing FISA and NSA’s unregulated spying and banking of all wireless communication - [29] [30]
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11540...s-watching-you
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/2...sa_is_lying_us

Appeals SCOTUS ruling that warrantless installation of tracking devices on cars is unconstitutional - [31]
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ng-of-citizens

Nominates JP Morgan defense lawyer to head the SEC, the regulatory agency in charge of keeping Wall Street in line - [32]
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...house-20130125

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Old 05-07-2013, 03:58 PM   #157
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Obama is extremely lacking as a leader, but not for the reasons that Krauthammer and the rest of the moronic right wing think he is lacking.

Obama is basically just the black version of Bush. If you cant see that its because you have been biased by the blue or red glasses through which you see the world.


The drone program pretty much sums up this administration.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:41 PM   #158
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The drone program pretty much sums up this administration.

yeah, gotta love Obama and his "nobel peace drones"
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Set your clocks. Tomorrow is All Benghazi, All The Time.
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May 2013. The 2016 Presidential Campaign began in earnest this month.

Chris Christie just got gastric-band surgery to lose weight. I really think this improves his chances.

We have another Benghazi hearing today. Any possibility this is related to Hillary Clinton being the frontrunner?
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May 2013. The 2016 Presidential Campaign began in earnest this month.

Chris Christie just got gastric-band surgery to lose weight. I really think this improves his chances.

We have another Benghazi hearing today. Any possibility this is related to Hillary Clinton being the frontrunner?


Christie is coming for your wife, Bubba.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:26 PM   #162
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May 2013. The 2016 Presidential Campaign began in earnest this month.

Chris Christie just got gastric-band surgery to lose weight. I really think this improves his chances.

We have another Benghazi hearing today. Any possibility this is related to Hillary Clinton being the frontrunner?


I like how Christie said he did it just for his family. You do that maybe if you're morbidly obese and nothing else has worked. Christie's just fat. You know that party central came to him and said if you want to get elected you need to lose weight fast.
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I like how Christie said he did it just for his family. You do that maybe if you're morbidly obese and nothing else has worked. Christie's just fat. You know that party central came to him and said if you want to get elected you need to lose weight fast.

I don't even think it was party central. I think it was his own advisors/own calculations. You would think that the party is neutral among candidates at this point. However, I think Roger Ailes at Fox is a big Christ Christie fan.

He still as a NJ Republican is going to have a tough time in the primaries, but he can be a good VP pick if you want to look balanced.

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You do that maybe if you're morbidly obese and nothing else has worked. Christie's just fat.
I think he might meet the technical definition.


Personally, I want to go back to the days when a fat man can run for president. BRING BACK TAFT!

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he can be a good VP pick if you want to look balanced.


Palin/Christie?
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BRING BACK TAFT!

Who's the 27th President and later the tenth Chief Justice of the United States and is a sex machine to all the chicks

TAFT!

Hush, your mouth!

....I'm just talking about Taft!
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