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Old 08-10-2013, 01:55 AM   #346
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Then a second email service did the same thing.
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Old 08-10-2013, 01:59 AM   #347
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The Justice Department release a 22 page "white paper" on the 215 program with its legal arguments.

BULK COLLECTION OF TELEPHONY METADATA
UNDER SECTION 215 OF THE USA PATRIOT ACT
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And Obama himself had a press conference an among other things, proposed reforms to the FISA court and section 215 of the Patriot Act along the same lines that members of Congress recently pushed.
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And Obama himself had a press conference an among other things, proposed reforms to the FISA court and section 215 of the Patriot Act along the same lines that members of Congress recently pushed.

Following the press conference, Colorado Democratic Senator Mark Udall, a prominent civil libertarian critic of the administration, said in a statement saying that “This is an important first step—but I will keep fighting to ensure it’s not the administration’s last in this direction.”
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Old 08-10-2013, 02:23 AM   #350
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Yesterday, the NY Times reported that there are times when the NSA searches emails and text going into and out of the US. The example given is if the email or text contains the email address of a terrorist suspect.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/us...pagewanted=all
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XKeyscore, anybody?

I believe most of the criticism from the (mostly) libertarian voice that is clearly upset over what it considers to be violations of basic rights afforded to U.S. citizens is being projected slightly off course (toward MAINWAY instead of the XKeyscore program). The XKeyscore program seems to be the much more easily manipulated of the two NSA methods of intelligence gathering (it has been proven how easily a search of a U.S. citizen can be conducted using this program and how low the standards are to guarantee that only foreign individuals are searched instead of U.S. citizens). That a search using the XKeyscore program could fairly easily be executed on any U.S. citizen to view their email or online chat contents without any prior authorization should be of fairly large concern to those who decried the MAINWAY program, no?

and KevinNYC, what is your opinion of Glenn Greenwald?
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Report says Obama couldn't watch Bin Laden raid and played cards instead.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...id_748413.html
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Old 08-16-2013, 02:11 AM   #353
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XKeyscore, anybody?

I believe most of the criticism from the (mostly) libertarian voice that is clearly upset over what it considers to be violations of basic rights afforded to U.S. citizens is being projected slightly off course (toward MAINWAY instead of the XKeyscore program). The XKeyscore program seems to be the much more easily manipulated of the two NSA methods of intelligence gathering (it has been proven how easily a search of a U.S. citizen can be conducted using this program and how low the standards are to guarantee that only foreign individuals are searched instead of U.S. citizens). That a search using the XKeyscore program could fairly easily be executed on any U.S. citizen to view their email or online chat contents without any prior authorization should be of fairly large concern to those who decried the MAINWAY program, no?

and KevinNYC, what is your opinion of Glenn Greenwald?
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Not a fan....just vented in another thread about him. First thing to know about him is he is lawyer turned blogger, not a trained reporter. He's an advocate, think of a lawyer arguing in court, trying to win a case. I used to read him year ago, but stopped.

I think he consistently misled folks on this story in a few ways. I don't know if he is against all spying in general like Snowden seems to be, but the NSA is foreign intelligence agency, there are pretty strong safeguards in place against targeting Americans.

He has consistently
confuse the potential for abuse with widespread and active abuse
confused the issue regarding foreign/American
confused what is in metadata vs content.....think of how many people think the NSA read American emails in bulk.
downplayed all the NSA safeguards including US Law, including 4th ammenment protections on content. See how many paragraphs of alarmist text you need to wade through before he drops the sentence about needing a warrant if the target is an American.

He's also going to ride this story has hard as he can. He just offered NBC an interview with Snowden for mid 5 figures according to him, 7 figures according to the wife of Snowden's Dad's lawyer. Snowden's Dad thinks Greenwald and Wikileaks are not acting with the best interests of Snowden in mind.

Also you're doing a technical story about databases and metadata, find someone who knows what FTP is.

Re: the bolded text, what has been proven about the standards being low? By who? Dana Priest who wrote a book on Top Secret America doesn't think so.
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The analysts’ 215 requests go to one of the 22 people at the NSA who are permitted to approve them — the chief or the deputy chief of the Homeland Security Analysis Center or one of 20 authorized Homeland Security mission coordinators within the Signals Intelligence directorate’s analysis and production directorate.

Once a request is approved, it is given to one of the Signal Intelligence directorate’s 33 counterterrorism analysts who are authorized to access the U.S. phone metadata collection.

When one of the analysts attempts to log into the database, the computer verifies whether the analyst has permission to do so. Edward Snowden, the NSA contractor who leaked details of the program, would not have had such authority.

An analyst’s search of the metadata begins with a foreign number: the number the NSA intercept was targeting in Yemen; the number the Saudi intelligence liaison took from the detainee; numbers found in the computer in Afghanistan that show calls to Europe or the United States.

The analyst then queries the database to see if it contains the number. In 2012, the database was queried 300 times by an NSA analyst
Also according to Mark Ambinder who also just wrote a book on this stuff, XKEYSCORE is for foreign collection.
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XKEYSCORE: Collection tool for international metadata
Lots of spy database goodies at that link.

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Tons more NSA stuff out recently.

The big one is from the Washington Post and this one too.
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Old 08-16-2013, 02:16 AM   #355
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The NY Times Magazine has a big profile on Laura Poitras who Snowden went to before Greenwald got involved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/ma...wden.html?_r=0

and a shorter Q and A with Snowden himself
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/ma...ipt.html?_r=1&
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Another from the Washington Post. 2011 FISA court ruling.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/pag...isa-court/393/
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Wow. I didn't hear this before.

Snowden's Russian lawyer hooked up with FSB
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By Maria Antonova (AFP) – Jul 16, 2013
MOSCOW — US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden will stay in the transit zone of the Moscow airport where he has been holed up for three weeks while Russian authorities process his asylum request, a lawyer helping him said Tuesday.
Anatoly Kucherena, a Russian lawyer who helped Snowden file an application for asylum in Russia earlier Tuesday, told AFP the fugitive former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor was happy with his treatment at the airport.
"While all procedural questions are being decided, he will remain in the transit zone of the airport," Kucherena told AFP in central Moscow when asked if Snowden would remain at Sheremetyevo airport until the asylum request was approved.
He confirmed that the asylum procedure could take up to three months, although a shorter period is theoretically possible.
Kucherena said he met Snowden at the airport on Tuesday to file the asylum request, with a translator the only other person present.
"He is satisfied with how he is being treated by the employees of the airport," he added, declining to say how Snowden's security was being ensured at the airport.
Speaking outside his office in a courtyard off a prestigious central Moscow street, Kucherena said he helped Snowden put together the asylum application after the stranded fugitive requested his assistance.
A supporter of President Vladimir Putin who supported Putin's election campaign last year, Kucherena also has a legal practice in Moscow that takes on high-profile cases.
He also sits on the "public council" of the Federal Security Service (FSB), which was created by Putin in 2006.
According to its website, the council works to "develop a relationship" between the security service and the public. Its fifteen members have to be approved by the head of the FSB.
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Re: the bolded text, what has been proven about the standards being low? By who? Dana Priest who wrote a book on Top Secret America doesn't think so.
Also according to Mark Ambinder who also just wrote a book on this stuff, XKEYSCORE is for foreign collection. Lots of spy database goodies at that link.

The link you provided was talking (I believe) about MAINWAY, not XKeyscore (the program with the standards I was criticizing). I agree that the standards for searching/accessing used in the MAINWAY program are fine, but with XKeyscore no formal warrant is needed to conduct a search, rather the XKeyscore user must convince the system that the individual in question is foreign (the standard is a 51% likelihood of the targeted person being a foreigner). The NSA has admitted that domestic communications can appear on systems thought to carry only foreign communications, and that all types of communication held between an American and a foreigner are held in the same databases as those that hold communications held between foreigners. The release of information on the XKeyscore program seems to have also knocked House Intelligence Subcommittee Chairman Mike Rogers on his ass, as he boldly stated just seven days before the breaking of the news on XKeyscore that Snowden's claims of easily being able to access the content of seemingly anyone's emails were wrong.
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would be curious to hear what nanners has to say now that his debate opponent is back.


ugh, hang on... nanners' whole profile looks like it got shut down here. shit, what happened, mate?
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