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Old 03-06-2013, 09:26 PM   #31
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Found this list of Obamas first term achievements on reddit, I expect more of the same in the second term.

Obama extends Patriot Act without reform - [1]
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...e-surveillance

Obama sends more troops to Afghanistan (2009) - [2]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8389778.stm

Obama signs NDAA 2011 (and 2012, and 2013) - [3]
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...-act-now-what/

Obama appeals the Federal Court decision that “indefinite detention” is unconstitutional - [4]
http://www.businessinsider.com/unbel...-ruling-2012-9

Obama uses his Presidential Drone “Kill List” to kill American cleric without trial -[5]
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/wo....html?_r=2&hp&

and his 16 year old son in a separate strike - [6]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...ssL_story.html

Continues to approve drone strikes that kill thousands of innocent civilians including women and children in Pakistan, Yemen, and other countries that do not want the US intervening - [7]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rt-claims.html

Protects Bush’s war crimes as State Secrets - [8] [9] [10]
http://www.salon.com/2010/09/08/obama_138/
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/0...orse-than-bush
http://washingtonindependent.com/339...toes-bush-line

Waives sections of a law meant to prevent the recruitment of child soldiers in Africa in order to deepen military relationship with countries that have poor human rights records -[11]
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/po...child_soldiers

Appointing Monsanto, GMO company with multiple unsafe practice violations, lobbyist to head the FDA - [12]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...dZcQ_blog.html

Continuing prohibition and Federal attacks on marijuana dispensaries that are legal pursuant with state law - [13]
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=685_1342311527

Protects AG Holder from Congressional “Fast and Furious” gun walking investigations - [14]
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ous-documents/

Bringing no charges against bank executives that misused bailouts - [15]
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/op...unishment.html

Engaging in a war on whistleblowers - [16]
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/31/th...histleblowers/

Grants immunity to CIA torturers - [17]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...h-cia-torturer

Quadrupling Bush's warrantless wiretapping program - [18]
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...tless-Wiretaps

Continuing military tribunals he vowed to end - [19]
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-07/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

Allowed innocent man to die at gitmo - [20]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzann...b_1878375.html

Violating the War Powers Act of 1973 - [21]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/op...1Ackerman.html

Signed Anti-protest law - [22]
http://rt.com/usa/news/trespass-bill-obama-secret-227/

Deported more immigrants than any other president - [23]
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-any-other-pr/

Increasing Drug War budget - [24]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/the-...ing-highlights

Defends raids on Amish raw milk farmers - [25]
http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/10/ob...y-czar-defends

Granting the FBI access to private electronic communication without warrant - [26]
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/op...fri1.html?_r=3

Building an even more intrusive TSA - [27]
http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/218543.html

Says it’s legal to track individuals by pinpointing their cellphone without warrant - [28]
http://www.businessinsider.com/gover...phones-2012-10

Renewing FISA and NSA’s unregulated spying and banking of all wireless communication - [29] [30]
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11540...s-watching-you
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/2...sa_is_lying_us

Appeals SCOTUS ruling that warrantless installation of tracking devices on cars is unconstitutional - [31]
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ng-of-citizens

Nominates JP Morgan defense lawyer to head the SEC, the regulatory agency in charge of keeping Wall Street in line - [32]
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...house-20130125
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:51 PM   #32
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Even if one were to concede every point above, it still wouldn't move him to right of Bush. It's also a cherry picked list. And leaves out tons of things he did do. If you had said Obama was an Eisenhower style of Republican, you'd be closer to understanding him. Now let's look at your laundry list.I think this qualifies him as a centrist. Let's face it no one is shedding a tear over the death of the father, the son yes.


Since when does public opinion have anything to do with whether or not a certain action is legitimate and where exactly such action would place one on the left/right dichotomy?
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If you don't like Bad Boys 2 there's something wrong with you.

My friend is all over Paul's nuts. Give me reasons to dislike him besides his stupid name so I can talk shit to my friend and not sound like an idiot.

The "Friends of Hamas story" was pretty funny
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._actually.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/f...icle-1.1268284

Conservatives who wanted to stop the Chuck Hagel confirmation started pushing this rumor that Hagel had spoken to or accepted money from "Friends of Hamas." They demanded the White House respond to this rumor, instead the White House just hung up on them.

Two problems with the rumor.
1. Friends of Hamas doesn't exist
2. The whole thing started as a joke that the conservative didn't understand
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/f...icle-1.1268284


He's also named after psychopathic troll who wrote these long turgid books where nobody acts like a human being. And the troll who was a scathing critic of "the Welfare State" got Social Security and Medicare payments under her married name. One of her earliest attempts at fiction was inspired by a child murderer who she seemed admire very, very much. She wrote of the character she based on the child murderer that he
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is born with a wonderful, free, light consciousness -- [resulting from] the absolute lack of social instinct or herd feeling. He does not understand, because he has no organ for understanding, the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people ... Other people do not exist for him and he does not understand why they should."

You can read about his truly horrific crime here.


I would just make a bet with him: That you watch part one and part two of the movie based on her most famous book (there's at least one more part still to be filmed) together and for every minute that is entertaining you pay him a dollar and for every minute that is not entertaining he pays you a dollar.

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Old 03-06-2013, 11:33 PM   #34
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Since when does public opinion have anything to do with whether or not a certain action is legitimate and where exactly such action would place one on the left/right dichotomy?
Your first point is irrelevant because we are not discussing legitimacy, but yes public opinion does have something to do being left right or center.

If something is in the mainstream it by definition is in the center. That is mutable and something that is in center can move to the margins or something on the margins can move to the mainstream.
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American cleric is a nice touch.
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:45 PM   #36
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Rand Paul is filibustering some shit. Is it just me or is filibustering the most childish shit. There's gotta be a better way of doing shit.

Ending every sentence with the word "shit".

I don't know much about Rand Paul but I think I'm predisposed to hating him because his name is Rand.



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The "Friends of Hamas story" was pretty funny
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._actually.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/f...icle-1.1268284

Conservatives who wanted to stop the Chuck Hagel confirmation started pushing this rumor that Hagel had spoken to or accepted money from "Friends of Hamas." They demanded the White House respond to this rumor, instead the White House just hung up on them.

Two problems with the rumor.
1. Friends of Hamas doesn't exist
2. The whole thing started as a joke that the conservative didn't understand
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/f...icle-1.1268284


He's also named after psychopathic troll who wrote these long turgid books where nobody acts like a human being. And the troll who was a scathing critic of "the Welfare State" got Social Security and Medicare payments under her married name. One of her earliest attempts at fiction was inspired by a child murderer who she seemed admire very, very much. She wrote of the character she based on the child murderer that he

You can read about his truly horrific crime here.


I would just make a bet with him: That you watch part one and part two of the movie based on her most famous book (there's at least one more part still to be filmed) together and for every minute that is entertaining you pay him a dollar and for every minute that is not entertaining he pays you a dollar.

I read part of one of her books. I couldn't finish it. That's why I hated him just because of his name.
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Your first point is irrelevant because we are not discussing legitimacy, but yes public opinion does have something to do being left right or center.

If something is in the mainstream it by definition is in the center. That is mutable and something that is in center can move to the margins or something on the margins can move to the mainstream.

So how do you determine if it's left or right then? Apparently if everyone agrees on it, it's a center position . . but if they don't? How do you decide then? Is it whether or not it has more support or not on the left or right?

Were the policies of Hugo Chavez centrist? In his own country? He seemed to enjoy a lot of public support.

I don't think that mainstream support of a policy means that it is a "centrist" position.

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So how do you determine if it's left or right then? Apparently if everyone agrees on it, it's a center position . . but if they don't? How do you decide then? Is it whether or not it has more support or not on the left or right?

Were the policies of Hugo Chavez centrist? In his own country? He seemed to enjoy a lot of public support.

I don't think that mainstream support of a policy means that it is a "centrist" position.

I don't think it has to be everyone who agrees on it to be centrist position.

You do bring up good points though and part of the problem is left-right doesn't really capture all the dimensions of politics. Nazis and Communists believe in the murder of their political enemies while Republicans and Democrats generally do not. So how do you rate them? by their acceptance of political murder or their support of nationalism? or their support of social programs.
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Also Jeb Bush has started to run for President.

So far it seems we have Rubio, Bush, Biden and Clinton all making like they are going to go for it.
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Bin Laden's Son in Law is in a jail in NYC.

Brennan just got confirmed. The vote was 63-34.
Holder clarified his earlier statement to Rand Paul.

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According to Carney, Paul asked, "Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?"

In his response, also read by Carney, Holder replied succinctly: "The answer to that question is no."

Economic news seems stronger recently.

"4-Week Average Of Jobless Claims Drops To 5-Year Low"
"Household wealth in the U.S. climbed in the fourth quarter to the highest level in five years, propelled by a gain in home prices that is helping repair family finances."
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First debates are happening in committees on gun laws.

Straw purchases (buying guns for people who aren't allowed to own guns) got out fairly easily. Can't find if it's the only thing they voted on today or not. But it was a party-line one.

But seriously? That shit wasn't illegal before?(except for buying guns for minors) And people wonder why Murrica has gun violence.
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Why are drones so disagreeable now? They're more versatile than long range missiles, and it's a hell of a lot better then sending in ground troops. Civilians getting killed is unfortunate, but that's not exactly a new issue.
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Why are drones so disagreeable now? They're more versatile than long range missiles, and it's a hell of a lot better then sending in ground troops. Civilians getting killed is unfortunate, but that's not exactly a new issue.

They were disagreeable by Obama supporters under Bush but turn the other way when Obama does it.

Plus they are being used on american citizens without a trial. And Bush killed citizens in Iraq in a country we had no business being in and Obama railed him for it. He's now doing the same thing in similar countries yet Obama supporters don't bat an eye. KevinNYC is blatantly ignoring it.

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