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Old 03-02-2013, 05:23 PM   #16
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cant buy what you are selling here. Jennings is worth that $$ just not to the Pack cuz they got 3 and 4 other guys who can play. He's worth it on the rams.

Retreads like Ocho and Lloyd didnt come close to what Moss did. Welker isnt a product of the system. Hes a really good player. Pats know that. Theyre not looking to move on with random guy making 2mil base salary. Thats some long standing myth Brady hasnt played with talent. Hes not throwing for 4500 yds and 30 tds with those receivers in miami.
Ask how the guy in avi feels like having to throw to them absolutely no play makers and the o line gives him half the time brady's o-line give him to throw. We better sign at least 1 of those free agent WRs
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Old 03-02-2013, 06:45 PM   #17
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You can but you pretty much need efficient salary cap management. WR's adn RB's are usually dispensable with a great passing game. More so with RB's as they are a dime in a dozen and a great passing game can thrive without great WR's. So I don't see both teams locking in huge money into those positions and I won't be surprised if Ray Rice will be dealt in the future(probably a wise move since Pierce is on a much cheaper contract).

Green Bay will be fine but i'm not sure about Baltimore. I like Flacco alot but he's not the type of player who can carry a team like Rodgers or Brady can. But maybe he'll take that next step now with the team building around him instead of the defense or ray rice offensively.
the Packers aren't fine with just Rodgers...did you watch them this year?...they need lots of help on defense, and they have no run game either.

Teams don't win with JUST a QB...the Ravens were stacked from top to bottom, so were the 49ers
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:03 PM   #18
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the Packers aren't fine with just Rodgers...did you watch them this year?...they need lots of help on defense, and they have no run game either.

Teams don't win with JUST a QB...the Ravens were stacked from top to bottom, so were the 49ers

I know they had problems on defense but offensively they were fine. They don't have any quality backs, their WR core this year would be considered bad for most teams(I think Nelson is a solid WR though) and yet they were balling on offense.

They were still a quality team this year and a had a tough match up against SF. They'll be among the favorites next year as well.
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Nelson, Jones, and Cobb are a great core for any team...along with maybe Finely if they keep him

but they need defense and a RB and they can't fix all that if Rodgers is eating up 1/5th of the team's money
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Rodgers can mask his teams holes throughout the course of a 16 game schedule against inferior teams, but when it comes playoffs they won't win any more rings unless the other parts of the team step up and ball. Whether that's through getting hot at the right time with OK talent or through having lots of talent on defense/offensive line/special teams/etc.
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I will try and paint a little picture of the Packers problems.

Linebackers- Need pass rush opposite of Matthews. Hopefully Nick Perry who was out last season provides this next season. Struggled stopping the run. But they also get Desmond Bishop back who is the teams best ILB. He brings a nasty side to the team and can bring pressure. They also get DJ Smith back. So this group should be better next season.

Safety- Big hole opposite Morgan Burnett. Still havent found Nick Collins replacement who was very important to this team.

DL- Need more pressure from the ends along with more depth.

OL- In my opinion this is the biggest problem for the Packers. One of the worst when it comes to pass blocking and the ZBS is a disappointment year after year. Hopefully the line improves with Buluga and Sherrod coming back from injuries. I would love to see what Rodgers and this offense can do behind an offensive line like the 49ers or Patriots.

RB- Yes its a problem but if the offensive line improves so will the run game.
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I know they had problems on defense but offensively they were fine. They don't have any quality backs, their WR core this year would be considered bad for most teams(I think Nelson is a solid WR though) and yet they were balling on offense.

They were still a quality team this year and a had a tough match up against SF. They'll be among the favorites next year as well.
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Usually a great QB or passing system will create the WR's. Look at Green Bay, Jennings who was considered to be a elite WR misses practically the whole year and that passing attack doesn't miss a beat with other players come in and fill the gap.

Their offense fell to #13, and they do have other talented guys (Nelson, Finley, Jones, Cobb).

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It's pretty much the same for all of the Elite QB's. Brady hasn't had great passing targets in his career albeit Randy Moss(he was considered washed up when coming). A guy like Wes Welker has put up #'s as good as anyone in the league and yet no one considers him elite and you have people saying he's a product of that passing system.

Quickly forgetting Hernandez and Gronk (one of the top TEs in the league)? Also, Branch was a nice compliment and then they added talented, but inconsistent Lloyd last season. People have been trying to write Welker off for years, but he kept producing even without Moss.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:56 PM   #24
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Eagles have done well passing the ball without #1 WRs during the Andy Reid era so you can get by with it. How far, how long? Another story. When Eagles got a great WR for their core they got over the hump of losing in the NFC title games and was in the SB.
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Nelson, Jones, and Cobb are a great core for any team...along with maybe Finely if they keep him

but they need defense and a RB and they can't fix all that if Rodgers is eating up 1/5th of the team's money

If you told people that would be their WR core before the season people would be freaking out but it turned out to be a good core because of the QB under center. Usually the running game suffers as a result of a great passing attack as the philosophy of the team changes, plus RB's are a dime in a dozen and they can easily be found in the draft..

How many times have we seen WR's who put up inflated stats under great QB's to only fall back to mediocrity once being the "guy" on a new team with a lesser QB?

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cant buy what you are selling here. Jennings is worth that $$ just not to the Pack cuz they got 3 and 4 other guys who can play. He's worth it on the rams.

Retreads like Ocho and Lloyd didnt come close to what Moss did. Welker isnt a product of the system. Hes a really good player. Pats know that. Theyre not looking to move on with random guy making 2mil base salary. Thats some long standing myth Brady hasnt played with talent. Hes not throwing for 4500 yds and 30 tds with those receivers in miami.

He's worth it to the Rams as they don't have a great QB and a struggling passing game but for a team with a QB like Aaron Rodgers it's not needed(Given the CAP situation)

BTW, I think Welker is a great player(Top 5-10 WR). I was trying to imply that before coming to NE he wasn't considered anything special and he thrived under NE's offense.

Oocho and Lloyd didn't come close to what Moss did but as a unit that offense was just as successful.. And Brady's been putting up great stats before Welker, Moss, Gronk, etc.
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Eagles have done well passing the ball without #1 WRs during the Andy Reid era so you can get by with it. How far, how long? Another story. When Eagles got a great WR for their core they got over the hump of losing in the NFC title games and was in the SB.


T.O didn't even play in the NFC Championship game that year, he was hurt...

Freddie "Fred-Ex" Mitchell was McNabb's main target that postseason..
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If you told people that would be their WR core before the season people would be freaking out but it turned out to be a good core because of the QB under center. Usually the running game suffers as a result of a great passing attack as the philosophy of the team changes, plus RB's are a dime in a dozen and they can easily be found in the draft..

How many times have we seen WR's who put up inflated stats under great QB's to only fall back to mediocrity once being the "guy" on a new team with a lesser QB?



He's worth it to the Rams as they don't have a great QB and a struggling passing game but for a team with a QB like Aaron Rodgers it's not needed(Given the CAP situation)

BTW, I think Welker is a great player(Top 5-10 WR). I was trying to imply that before coming to NE he wasn't considered anything special and he thrived under NE's offense.

Oocho and Lloyd didn't come close to what Moss did but as a unit that offense was just as successful.. And Brady's been putting up great stats before Welker, Moss, Gronk, etc.

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T.O didn't even play in the NFC Championship game that year, he was hurt...

Freddie "Fred-Ex" Mitchell was McNabb's main target that postseason..

No Fred Ex wasn't. But the Eagles passing attack that season was the best it ever was.
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No Fred Ex wasn't. But the Eagles passing attack that season was the best it ever was.

But you said T.O was the reason Philly got over the hump in the postseason when that is false considering he missed the entire postseason besides the superbowl
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No Fred Ex wasn't. But the Eagles passing attack that season was the best it ever was.

On the top of my head?
Sidney Rice, Deon Branch, Peerles Price, Darrel Jackson, Mushin Muhommed?

I can't really list many on the top of my head but I'm sure i'll find more examples if I dig up stats.
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