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Old 03-04-2013, 04:35 PM   #46
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Let's be honest here, nobody has said he never gets to the basket with it but he doesn't use his post game to specifically do that.


I'm pointing out what you said, that Kobe can use his postgame to get to the basket where Jordan's post-game only resulted in fadeaways and jumpers. So in a sense, that's exactly what your earlier comment alluded to whether you meant it to or not.

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Old 03-04-2013, 04:36 PM   #47
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You missed the point that Jordan and Kobe have very similar post-games, whereas Shaq and Hakeem do not.
Shaq n Hakeem dont have similiar post games because Hakeem lacked size and strengh.

Fact is both Hakeem n Kobe had/have to do more in the post because both lacked "natural athletic advantages"

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Old 03-04-2013, 04:36 PM   #48
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Huh?

To break down a zone, you need to have a good perimeter jumper, or get people into position to make their shots. Kobe doesn't have consistency on his jumper nor the play making abilities of Jordan.

Jordan made zones looks like child's play. Jordan was just better at everything than Kobe.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:41 PM   #49
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Shaq n Hakeem dont have similiar post games because Hakeem lacked size and strengh.

Fact is both Hakeem n Kobe had/have to to do more in the post because both lacked "natural athletic advantages"

Except Hakeem was one of the most athletic and graceful bigmen to play the game. The point remains, using Shaq and Hakeem as an analogy for Jordan and Kobe in the post fails at the most basic level of logic because the former two don't have similar post-games to begin with. Jordan and Kobe have similar bodies and physical traits, and similar stylistically in the post. Yes Jordan was overall the more explosive athlete but going by your logic, he physically overwhelmed guys in the post( I'm assuming that's where your Shaq comment comes in) but he didn't. His post ability was as much a product of skill and fundamentals as Kobe is.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:43 PM   #50
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Except Hakeem was one of the most athletic and graceful bigmen to play the game. The point remains, using Shaq and Hakeem as an analogy for Jordan and Kobe in the post fails at the most basic level of logic because the former two don't have similar post-games to begin with. Jordan and Kobe have similar bodies and physical traits, and similar stylistically in the post. Yes Jordan was overall the more explosive athlete but going by your logic, he physically overwhelmed guys in the post( I'm assuming that's where your Shaq comment comes in) but he didn't. His post ability was as much a product of skill and fundamentals as Kobe is.

You broke it down.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:46 PM   #51
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To break down a zone, you need to have a good perimeter jumper, or get people into position to make their shots. Kobe doesn't have consistency on his jumper nor the play making abilities of Jordan.

Jordan made zones looks like child's play. Jordan was just better at everything than Kobe.

ROFL

Traditional Zones didn't exist back then. It would be called illegal defense and if you get two of those, it becomes a free throw.

LOL @ MJ breaking down zones.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:47 PM   #52
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To break down a zone, you need to have a good perimeter jumper, or get people into position to make their shots. Kobe doesn't have consistency on his jumper nor the play making abilities of Jordan.

Jordan made zones looks like child's play. Jordan was just better at everything than Kobe.
Dude, the zone defense was implented in 01.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:48 PM   #53
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Dude, the zone defense was implented in 01.

Jordan was the zone buster. Now a days big men aren't allowed to camp. So it's much easier for guards to penetrate. You don't have a Dikembe or Ewing down there, contesting all your shots.

Watch the video. The Bulls and the Knicks are playing the zone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_GgXXR4vA

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You broke it down.
I wouldnt feel to good about this guy cheering me on, on this topic
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Jordan was the zone buster.



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Old 03-04-2013, 04:50 PM   #56
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I wouldnt feel to good about this guy cheering me on, on this topic

ive been wanting him to stay out of my threads.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:50 PM   #57
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Jordan was the zone buster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_GgXXR4vA
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Nearly 20 minutes of footage in the OP, with VIDEO EVIDENCE of Jordan using his postgame to get to the basket, and you're seriously going to make that claim?

Case in point, look at the move he uses against the Lakers at 2:30. That's a move that we've since seen from Kobe, but you're going to say that Jordan's post-game didn't allow him to get to the basket?!


"A recent memory is Kobe destroying Crawford in the post for a dunk. Last night he almost got one off the post as well. [b] Kobe's post game allows him to get to the basket where MJ was purely to get his fade and jumper on."

You mean like what Jordan did at 2:43? Seriously....
Ignore him...Thats why I have him on ignore..he's a ridiculous Kobe stan and nothing he says should be taken seriously...
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ROFL

Traditional Zones didn't exist back then. It would be called illegal defense and if you get two of those, it becomes a free throw.

LOL @ MJ breaking down zones.

@ "traditional" zones didn't exist back then. How is something that was just created, due to the Shaq rules, traditional???

Now a days, big men can't protect the paint like back then. The zone of today's era was created to nullify that rule change.
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Jordan was the zone buster. Now a days big men aren't allowed to camp. So it's much easier for guards to penetrate. You don't have a Dikembe or Ewing down there, contesting all your shots.

Watch the video. The Bulls and the Knicks are playing the zone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_GgXXR4vA

That is not a zone kid.

Who was zoning?
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