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Old 03-04-2013, 04:46 PM   #76
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Default Re: Michael Jordan in the post. Amazing compilation.

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Not as much as you think.

There's more to playing the post than having footwork.

A. Yes Kobe has 'comparable' footwork to MJ's
B. Yes Kobe has 'comparable' moves to MJ's

But he lacks several key attributes:

Court awareness
Decision making
Consistency

And that's not even including physical features in which that alone would put MJ over the edge if they were equals (which they're not).

MJ happens to be stronger, quicker, jump higher and has bigger hands which aid him.

MJ is also technically better and more consistent, he's also more versatile since he can go to either shoulder and finish with more consistency. And of course, there's the even more obvious fact that MJ gets better separation than Kobe ever has on a more consistent basis.

I guess one of the key words here is 'consistency' because YES Kobe can and has done some of these things (so have others btw), but he isn't as consistent as Mj has, specially when we compare 2nd 3peat MJ, who was almost automatic from the post and basically lived there.

But Kobe may arguably be the best perimeter post up player since MJ, I'll give him that. He is very 'similar' to MJ in his mechanics, footwork, balance.

Pretty much agree with this but I don't think MJ was really more versatile in terms of moves, I see Kobe using his other shoulder more, and shooting off his back foot/shoulders not squared towards basket(Dirk) more, and his left hand is is better than MJ's.

Honestly, I see Kobe doing everything that MJ did, and I see him doing things that MJ didn't do, Kobe obviously developed his post game upon MJ's, and added a couple moves as well. Of course I'm not saying that Kobe is better than MJ in the post, everything Kobe does in the post is slower and less powerful than MJ, but I just think it's realistic to say that Kobe has put together some extra moves beyond MJ's variations, considering how much Kobe studies the game, and how long it's been since MJ's time. Now you can say that MJ didn't need to do as much because he was more effective, but I think Kobe actually loves practicing stringing together elaborate moves over and over in practice and showing them off in the game.

The problem is, is that MJ is physically superior and his bball IQ is higher, so Kobe obviously isn't as effective. What makes the athletic & IQ gap seem even bigger than it actually is, is that Kobe likes to take his time, stop and pause, make sure that he is FULLY iso'd before he busts a move, and makes it a 1v1 show. This slows down the whole game for everyone, gives the defense time to set, and gives Kobe less options in terms of passing out of the post, lanes to the basket, and scrambling against double teams, etc. LIke Swoosh(or Indian Guy?) says, MJ is more of a quick-strike player, once he catches the ball he's already in action.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:02 PM   #77
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- Reading the defense and timely decision making. If the double is coming, he can fade on the baseline to negate it. There's also quite a few plays where he sees the double team coming and spins baseline quickly to evade the double team and of course, a few plays where he'll split the double

That's the godly basketball IQ on display right there. Most guys let the defense dictate how they are going to play. Jordan cut them off mid sentence before they could execute what they wanted to do. If the center came to the middle to double, as soon as MJ read it, he was going baseline to avoid it. If the pressure was coming from the baseline, he'd execute moves towards the middle or employ the fadeaway to neutralize it.

Most players wait for the defense to set, then they try to decide how to attack. Jordan stayed a step ahead of the D.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:04 PM   #78
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Spin move into pump fake, banker off glass is by far my favorite move of his.

Or the spin move as the double comes, and dunk.

Agreed, love the fakes!
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:07 PM   #79
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That's the godly basketball IQ on display right there. Most guys let the defense dictate how they are going to play. Jordan cut them off mid sentence before they could execute what they wanted to do. If the center came to the middle to double, as soon as MJ read it, he was going baseline to avoid it. If the pressure was coming from the baseline, he'd execute moves towards the middle or employ the fadeaway to neutralize it.

Most players wait for the defense to set, then they try to decide how to attack. Jordan stayed a step ahead of the D.

Spot on playa.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:08 PM   #80
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Default Re: Michael Jordan in the post. Amazing compilation.

Watching the OP vid again, damn MJ was STUPID fast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Jjl9_ZDY4
Favorite MJ vid of all time, 1997 playoffs, good music, my favorite version of MJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WLu...3zWdRw&index=4
There's one of 1996 playoffs, he's even faster here, still not as fast as first 3peat MJ but just as unstoppable.

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Old 03-04-2013, 05:13 PM   #81
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effortless

Yes indeed. Only Big O made it look more effortless. In the clip below, Wali Jones (an aggressive in your face defender ala Payton) is completely helpless on the baseline against Oscar, who makes it look as if he isn't even there.


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Old 03-04-2013, 05:44 PM   #82
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jordan's decision making was unrivaled and still is. his ability to make something out of nothing is just fascinating.

why can't you kobe trolls just enjoy the video instead of wiping your sh!t off of kobe's d1ck.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:52 PM   #83
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Alot of those are the same move, but it is ridiculously fluid. He chains his moves together so smoothly, that fadeaway is almost impossible to stop. That is a killer move. Then when he starts going up and under too? you're f*cked then. forget about stopping him
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:31 PM   #84
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So crazy how he used the defense against itself. He knew where everyone was and used their rotations and help to his advantage.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:05 PM   #85
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So crazy how he used the defense against itself. He knew where everyone was and used their rotations and help to his advantage.
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The separation and body control is amazing.

GOAT perimeter post player.

Decision making is also off the charts. The split second moves he makes, right before the double comes is woah.

LMAO at Shaq trying to double on MJ. Dude got left in the dust.

That level of post dominance is only matched by Hakeem, McHale, and Shaq. The thing that separates MJ from them is, the way he can pass out of doubles.

And You For Sir Charles and Wilt ofcourse....And No "THE ZONE BUSTER" was a Term Given to Sir Charles Before MJ

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Kobe=Hakeem > MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BronBron

Kobe is the Hakeem Olajuwon of SG..
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And You For Sir Charles and Wilt ofcourse....And No "THE ZONE BUSTER" was a Term Given to Sir Charles Before MJ

True. Barkley had some deadly spin moves in the paint. I love the way he'd spin out, then give a little bump, and do the double pump layup with 2 hands.

One of the most aesthetically pleasing moves in the paint. Basic, and brutal, yet so effective.
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True. Barkley had some deadly spin moves in the paint. I love the way he'd spin out, then give a little bump, and do the double pump layup with 2 hands.

One of the most aesthetically pleasing moves in the paint. Basic, and brutal, yet so effective.

Very Few People Know It But Shaq and Barkley Where The Most Frequent Scorers Inside the 3-Point Line. No Other 20 PPG Scorers Shot Over 58% FG Inside the 3-Point While as Doubled and Tripled But The Shaqtus and Sir Charles.

Yes, Barkley Was Called "The Zone Buster" and Was the Only Player Along MJ (never seen that ever again) that Was Doubled and Tripled 12-15 Away from the Rim. Charles Created More Ilegal Defenses than Any Player in His Era Because He Was Guard Like 1 on 1, SF Like On the Break, A Dominant Offensive PF in the Post and Was as Strong as Any 7ft Center in th Paint, Any!

And Please Kids Trying to Force that Kobe Was as Good as MJ in the Post? Get F-Real. Kobe Was a Better Pure Shooter than MJ From Far Range, Other That, He Has Nothing On Being a Better Player Than Michael.

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