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Old 03-08-2013, 12:18 AM   #106
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He has to turn a franchise that drafted him into a dynasty like MJ and Russell and Duncan did.
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:29 AM   #107
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He has to turn a franchise that drafted him into a dynasty like MJ and Russell and Duncan did.


I know that you are a F*cking idiot, but LeBron led that average Cavaliers team deeper into the playoffs, and into the NBA Finals. LeBron even made his coach better. A Shitty coach like Mike Brown failed in Los Angeles while Brown in Cleveland won 66 and 60 games respectively.

The Spurs, Bulls, and Celtics were still a playoff team without their key players.

The 1994 Bulls won 55 games. Pippen was a top 3 MVP Candidate during that season.

Parker outplayed Duncan in the 2007 NBA Finals. He won an NBA Finals MVP by averaging 24.2 ppg on over 50% from the field.

Bill Russell had the most stacked teams in NBA History. He played with 1974 Finals MVP John Havlicek, and MVP Bob Cousy. The Celtics were also one of the deepest teams during that time.

They beat a lot of Super teams in the 1960's. What's the Cavaliers record in the post Lebron James Era?
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:02 AM   #108
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I know that you are a F*cking idiot, but LeBron led that average Cavaliers team deeper into the playoffs, and into the NBA Finals. LeBron even made his coach better. A Shitty coach like Mike Brown failed in Los Angeles while Brown in Cleveland won 66 and 60 games respectively.

The Spurs, Bulls, and Celtics were still a playoff team without their key players.

The 1994 Bulls won 55 games. Pippen was a top 3 MVP Candidate during that season.

Parker outplayed Duncan in the 2007 NBA Finals. He won an NBA Finals MVP by averaging 24.2 ppg on over 50% from the field.

Bill Russell had the most stacked teams in NBA History. He played with 1974 Finals MVP John Havlicek, and MVP Bob Cousy. The Celtics were also one of the deepest teams during that time.

They beat a lot of Super teams in the 1960's. What's the Cavaliers record in the post Lebron James Era?

Lebron didn't lead the Cavs deeper into the playoffs than MJ, Duncan, Hakeem or Russell led there franchises to who were franchises that never won a title prior to them arriving.
Lebron also played with Ben Wallace (only allstar on championship team in 2004) and Shaq 3x finals mvp winner and 1x league mvp winner and who outplayed Lebron in pivotal game of series vs Boston.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:04 AM   #109
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:25 AM   #110
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Lebron didn't lead the Cavs deeper into the playoffs than MJ, Duncan, Hakeem or Russell led there franchises to who were franchises that never won a title prior to them arriving.
Lebron also played with Ben Wallace (only allstar on championship team in 2004) and Shaq 3x finals mvp winner and 1x league mvp winner and who outplayed Lebron in pivotal game of series vs Boston.
lol. Because the shaq lebron played with was even close to his la and Orlando days. Outplays lebron (and even that is a very bias thing to say) in one game. That proves it lebron is garbage... And Big Ben was in his mid 30s by then lol. Varejao was just a hustle piece who had average help d and wasn't nearly the monster rebounder he is today. This is like the retards who hate on Kobe because Nash is still 17/11 MVP Nash, Dwight is healthy and is still the 20/14 dpoy we all know and love, and gasol is still the guy 1b championship teammate. Hell since we're going by what players did 5 years ago, then mwp is an 18 point scorer and elite perimeter defender too. Yep Kobe and lebron both garbage, learned something new today thanks.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:27 AM   #111
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He has a great case, but it's not clear cut or unanimous by any means.

There is no one 'G.O.A.T.'.


There is ONLY one GREATEST and thats Michael Jeffery Jordan. Till he is Dethrone he will always be the Greatest.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:30 AM   #112
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lol. Because the shaq lebron played with was even close to his la and Orlando days. Outplays lebron (and even that is a very bias thing to say) in one game. That proves it lebron is garbage... And Big Ben was in his mid 30s by then lol. Varejao was just a hustle piece who had average help d and wasn't nearly the monster rebounder he is today. This is like the retards who hate on Kobe because Nash is still 17/11 MVP Nash, Dwight is healthy and is still the 20/14 dpoy we all know and love, and gasol is still the guy 1b championship teammate. Hell since we're going by what players did 5 years ago, then mwp is an 18 point scorer and elite perimeter defender too. Yep Kobe and lebron both garbage, learned something new today thanks.



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Old 03-10-2013, 12:43 AM   #113
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I know that you are a F*cking idiot, but LeBron led that average Cavaliers team deeper into the playoffs, and into the NBA Finals. LeBron even made his coach better. A Shitty coach like Mike Brown failed in Los Angeles while Brown in Cleveland won 66 and 60 games respectively.

If the the Cavs' success was solely because of LeBron and Mike Brown is such a shitty coach, why couldn't LeBron even make the playoffs without Mike Brown as coach in Cleveland?

2004: Cavs go 35-47, miss playoffs
2005: Cavs go 42-40, miss playoffs
2006: Cavs hire Mike Brown, go 50-32 and take Detroit to 7 games in the second round

Also, Cleveland managed to win 50 games and make the Finals in 2007 with LeBron posting inferior overall numbers compared to his last season without Mike Brown coaching.

Lebron in '05: 27.2 points per game, 47.2% field goal percentage, 75% free throw percentage, 35.1% three-point percentage, 7.4 rebounds, 7.2 assists and 2.2 steals per game.

Lebron in '07: 27.3 points per game, 47.6% field goal percentage,. 69.8% free throw percentage, 31.9% 3-point percentage 6.7 rebounds per game, 6 assists per game, 1.6 steals per game.

For all the times I've heard people disparage Mike Brown, it's hard to ignore the turnaround Cleveland had when he took over. They went from missing the playoffs for consecutive seasons with LeBron, and then nearly making it to the Eastern Conference Finals the very next season with no major additions other than Larry Hughes who only played in 36 games.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:43 AM   #114
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Worst superstar in tha fourth quarter in tha finals history, 1-2 in tha finals shich should of been 0-3 cuz of tha refs making it worst finals ive ever seen, puhcee for not going to dunk contest one time out of 10 seasons, his mom iz a known jump which delonte hit, Miami heat hit, cavs hit, David stern hit, Lil Wayne hit, 2012 finals refs hit and many otherz down tha list, got blocked twice by Kobe in 2013 all star game down tha stretch of a failed attempt for MVP which he tried to steal from melo, had people thinking he was going to play for NY in 2010 but took his gay talents to form a mega superteam in south beach, made a gay ass Harlem shake video, too much to talk about

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Old 03-10-2013, 03:47 AM   #115
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If the the Cavs' success was solely because of LeBron and Mike Brown is such a shitty coach, why couldn't LeBron even make the playoffs without Mike Brown as coach in Cleveland?

2004: Cavs go 35-47, miss playoffs
2005: Cavs go 42-40, miss playoffs
2006: Cavs hire Mike Brown, go 50-32 and take Detroit to 7 games in the second round

Also, Cleveland managed to win 50 games and make the Finals in 2007 with LeBron posting inferior overall numbers compared to his last season without Mike Brown coaching.

Lebron in '05: 27.2 points per game, 47.2% field goal percentage, 75% free throw percentage, 35.1% three-point percentage, 7.4 rebounds, 7.2 assists and 2.2 steals per game.

Lebron in '07: 27.3 points per game, 47.6% field goal percentage,. 69.8% free throw percentage, 31.9% 3-point percentage 6.7 rebounds per game, 6 assists per game, 1.6 steals per game.

For all the times I've heard people disparage Mike Brown, it's hard to ignore the turnaround Cleveland had when he took over. They went from missing the playoffs for consecutive seasons with LeBron, and then nearly making it to the Eastern Conference Finals the very next season with no major additions other than Larry Hughes who only played in 36 games.

Maybe because Lebron and gooden got a year older and got a little better?

It's not so complicated.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:10 AM   #116
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Worst superstar in tha fourth quarter in tha finals history, 1-2 in tha finals shich should of been 0-3 cuz of tha refs making it worst finals ive ever seen, puhcee for not going to dunk contest one time out of 10 seasons, his mom iz a known jump which delonte hit, Miami heat hit, cavs hit, David stern hit, Lil Wayne hit, 2012 finals refs hit and many otherz down tha list, got blocked twice by Kobe in 2013 all star game down tha stretch of a failed attempt for MVP which he tried to steal from melo, had people thinking he was going to play for NY in 2010 but took his gay talents to form a mega superteam in south beach, made a gay ass Harlem shake video, too much to talk about

Now I understand your hate for Lebron... He hurt your feelings
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:24 AM   #117
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I wish I could be such a obsessive fan and devote my life to living vicariously through another person. It is admirable.

Do you cry when the Heat lose or when Lebron has a bad game?
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:33 AM   #118
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Now I understand your hate for Lebron... He hurt your feelings
Obviously, what else...
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:41 AM   #119
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I wish I could be such a obsessive fan and devote my life to living vicariously through another person. It is admirable.

Do you cry when the Heat lose or when Lebron has a bad game?
I could see a few Lebron stans shedding a few tears if one or the other happens. I don't know if Silkk is one of them but Kingwillball definitely is.
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:44 AM   #120
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He has to turn a franchise that drafted him into a dynasty like MJ and Russell and Duncan did.

thats so arbitrary
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