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Old 03-10-2013, 08:48 PM   #31
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So tell me what Deng does that is worth 13 million on a championship team? Because he is completely useless offensively. Here is a list of SFs that are better than Deng right now and have been proving that on the court, also how much they make.

Deng- 13.3 million

Josh Smith - 13.2 million
Paul George - 2.5 million
Ersan Ilyasova - 7.9 million
Thadeus Young - 8 million
Rudy Gay - 16 million
Trevor Ariza - 7 million
Shawn Marion - 8 million
Danillo Gallinari - 9 million
Andre Igoudala - 14 million
Wilson Chandler - 5 million
Chandler Parsons - 888k dollars
Matt Barnes - 850k
AK47 - 9 million
Nicolas Batum - 10 million
Kawhi Leonard - 1.8 million
Gordon Hayward - 2.7 million

Deng is one of the top payed but in both production on the court and PER he is bottom 3, if not lower.
LOL parsons is so underpaid. BUT its because he wasn't a high draft pick and he's obviously on his rookie contract. Believe you me, he will get paid in the multi millions. Definitely not in the $13 millions, but 4-5+ mills
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LOL parsons is so underpaid. BUT its because he wasn't a high draft pick and he's obviously on his rookie contract. Believe you me, he will get paid in the multi millions. Definitely not in the $13 millions, but 4-5+ mills
Looking at that list makes you wonder WHO THE **** gave a defensive role player like Deng 13 million few years ago when he was even worse.

Bulls FO is one of the worst, giving Boozer 80 million after that Deng deal. They deserve to be stuck in that limbo. Not bad enough for good draft picks, not good enough for a championship chance. Bunch of idiots just ruined their cap space for total scrubs. At least overpay for scorers or real big men, not a softass forward with hair insecurity and a guy who can't graze the rim on open shots.
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They gotta trade ****in Deng already, guy keeps sucking in every damn game and doing nothing. That wouldn't be a problem if he didn't get 13 million a year and along with Boozer killed the cap space. Can't have 2 black holes that disappear in the postseason.

Seriously, you gotta start thinking about the future, Bulls will never do jack with Boozer and Deng as #2-#3 options. Deng is the easiest matchup for Lebron, and Boozer is the easiest matchup for Bosh, they will both rape those guys in a series. Noah and Rose are the only key pieces, everyone else can be moved.

I concur that we need to move Deng and his fat contract. He's been so inconsistent and butler is already hitting the 3 ball better and can be just as good defensively, if not, better. Get rid of rip and Deng next year and sign mayo would make me happy
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Looking at that list makes you wonder WHO THE **** gave a defensive role player like Deng 13 million few years ago when he was even worse.

Bulls FO is one of the worst, giving Boozer 80 million after that Deng deal. They deserve to be stuck in that limbo. Not bad enough for good draft picks, not good enough for a championship chance. Bunch of idiots just ruined their cap space for total scrubs. At least overpay for scorers or real big men, not a softass forward with hair insecurity and a guy who can't graze the rim on open shots.
Boozer is a waste man, I agree with you. And Deng not that far off. Take it from a Knicks fan that has Amare making $20+ mill getting hurt every year and not even playing in the playoffs. These terrible contracts hamstring the fck outa our teams. It's an improvement over the Isiah era though. My cousins a bulls fan, and he hates Deng too. Almost as much as you. Realists

Also sucks that with Thibs, he will not allow tanking. Higher draft picks would help.
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Looking at that list makes you wonder WHO THE **** gave a defensive role player like Deng 13 million few years ago when he was even worse.

Bulls FO is one of the worst, giving Boozer 80 million after that Deng deal. They deserve to be stuck in that limbo. Not bad enough for good draft picks, not good enough for a championship chance. Bunch of idiots just ruined their cap space for total scrubs. At least overpay for scorers or real big men, not a softass forward with hair insecurity and a guy who can't graze the rim on open shots.

To be fair. He got paid after the Heat series, where he went absolutely HAM in that series. He was still up and coming, and Bulls fans were expecting him to be a legit franchise player after that.

Wow, how wrong we were.
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Damn Deng/Boozer make more than a lot of real all-star caliber players and even some Top 10 players like Westbrook, Harden, Parker, Duncan, Lee, Griffin, Marc Gasol.
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To be fair. He got paid after the Heat series, where he went absolutely HAM in that series. He was still up and coming, and Bulls fans were expecting him to be a legit franchise player after that.

Wow, how wrong we were.
What? I remember him getting raped by Lebron and sucking in the Heat series. What were his averages?
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What? I remember him getting raped by Lebron and sucking in the Heat series. What were his averages?
He's prob talking about that 07 first round? It was the year after the Heat won it all, they got swept in the 1st round by the Bulls. I remember Sefolosha was on the Bulls and gave Wade hell back then
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What? I remember him getting raped by Lebron and sucking in the Heat series. What were his averages?

I'm talking about the 07' series. We swept the Heat in the 1st round, and Deng put up some ridiculous numbers.

22 pts. 8 rebs. 52% FG. With good defense.

EVERY Bulls fan thought he was the real deal. Then the injury bug hit him, and he's regressed back to his real self.
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He's prob talking about that 07 first round? It was the year after the Heat won it all, they got swept in the 1st round by the Bulls. I remember Sefolosha was on the Bulls and gave Wade hell back then
We had so many chances for good players, lost Sefalosha and I am pretty sure we had Aldridge too didn't we? I remember we had lot of good players that we traded for even worse ones.
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Wonder if Denver will give one of their SFs and a SG to us for Deng/Boozer and maybe a 3 team deal.
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We had so many chances for good players, lost Sefalosha and I am pretty sure we had Aldridge too didn't we? I remember we had lot of good players that we traded for even worse ones.

We traded Aldridge for Tyrus ****in Thomas.

Sefalosha was hot garbage on the Bulls.

In hindsight, trading Aldridge was the best thing we could've done, because of Rose.
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We traded Aldridge for Tyrus ****in Thomas.

Sefalosha was hot garbage on the Bulls.

In hindsight, trading Aldridge was the best thing we could've done, because of Rose.
Sefalosha was garbage under Del Negro right? Imagine Thibs with Thabo, that perimeter D.

Just watch, Jazz is falling apart, they gonna trade their bigs. We should grab one of them for Deng. Amnesty Boozer, start Butler after he improves even more after offseason and more minutes.
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You were rightfully killed for it. With Noah's play this year, I have to say that's easily one of the dumbest ideas ever thought up.

Exactly.

Noah is one of the best defensive anchors in the league. He's an outstanding rebounder, defender, and will always give you everything he has, every game. He's not the most talented player in the league, but his insane effort and energy makes up for it. He's the exact type of guy you want in the locker room.
Trading Noah for a pick would probably be the worst move made by any organization in the league this season.
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So tell me what Deng does that is worth 13 million on a championship team? Because he is completely useless offensively. Here is a list of SFs that are better than Deng right now and have been proving that on the court, also how much they make.

Deng- 13.3 million

Josh Smith - 13.2 million
Paul George - 2.5 million
Ersan Ilyasova - 7.9 million
Thadeus Young - 8 million
Rudy Gay - 16 million
Trevor Ariza - 7 million
Shawn Marion - 8 million
Danillo Gallinari - 9 million
Andre Igoudala - 14 million
Wilson Chandler - 5 million
Chandler Parsons - 888k dollars
Matt Barnes - 850k
AK47 - 9 million
Nicolas Batum - 10 million
Kawhi Leonard - 1.8 million
Gordon Hayward - 2.7 million

Deng is one of the top payed but in both production on the court and PER he is bottom 3, if not lower.



LOL, no. No on half of the list. First, Smith, Ilyasova and Young are PF's who are playing PF. Iguodala is playing the 2 this year.


Ilyasova and Ariza are comical choices. Chandler is an 8th man who just started shooting over 40% two nights ago. Barnes is a great piece off the bench. None of these guys are anywhere near as good or as productive this season as Deng.


Hayward is currently not as good, period. Rudy Gay has not had a very good season and is still more talent than impact. And, really, you're just making shit up.


Deng is a glue guy, he's a very good rebounder, he's one of the best defensive players in the league. He's scoring over 16PPG and his shooting is hardly as bad as you suggest. He's a solid passer who helps run the offense. He gets paid maybe a little too much, but as was already said he got paid after a huge series. But it's fair to consider the way the team is constructed. It's a tough, gritty half-court team. His percentages has dropped these last two seasons, as there is no Rose and the team is grinding out more. He puts up solid numbers and he has more team impact than the numbers suggest.

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