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Old 03-11-2013, 02:40 PM   #46
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Default Re: What do you think happens after death?

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But the problem with your argument lies with the fact that before I was born, I was nothing. I cannot go back in time and ponder what it was like before I was born since I did not exist. What I can do is while I'm alive, is ponder the existence of man and look at facts and read up on history, and it undoubtedly leaves me to believe that this just didn't all happen by happenstance. There was cause and reason. I truly believe that the moment you find cause and reason, it will be the moment that you truly cherish life and understand that it will always continue.
I'd like to call that wishful thinking. We don't deserve eternal life more than any other animal on this planet, you don't think about an ant having eternal life when you step on it, do you?

How about when you run over a skunk, you don't think that animal has some sort of eternal life, do you?

I know you would like to think of humans as being special, but we're not.

We evolved like any other animal, sure we're more intelligent and creative, but does this mean we'll live forever? No.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:41 PM   #47
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Default Re: What do you think happens after death?

Also.. why are you bringing Near Death Experience into this topic clearly called: "What do you think happens after death".

First of all, it's in the name: it's a near death experience, not a death experience. Seriously though, I like to take the Sam Harris approach:
We know for a fact that damaging the brain damages corresponding areas of personality and cognition. If you damage one part of the brain you can cease to recognize faces. If you damage another, you no longer know the names of things. Damage another, and you lose the ability to speak. I could go on, but you get the picture. Are we expected to believe that, although damaging parts of the brain permanently hurts parts of personality, once the brain dies completely our consciousness can somehow lift out of the body unharmed, recognizing your relatives and speaking english/latvian whatever?
As for explanations, there are currently several, although none of them has been solidly proven. The general consensus among these theories explains NDEs as hallucinations caused by one of a number of sources (oxygen deprivation, dream-like electrical impulses of the dying brain, small amounts of DMT which the body naturally produces, etc).

http://www.skepdic.com/nde.html
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The judgement.

that might be more painful than anything you've experienced in life.


also...




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Old 03-11-2013, 02:41 PM   #49
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why do you have that avy again?


Dude with a Dalai Lama avy arguing against reincarnation.
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Most NDEers are religious in some way to begin with

Entirely incorrect. You will find through research of your own that NDE'ers range from many types of individuals, many of whom are doctors and scientists and have put their science first over the believability of a higher power. However, when these same scientists (men of higher knowledge) experience NDE's themselves, or go around the country interviewing hundreds and thousands of people who share the same sensation, that science cannot itself explain, they inevitably change their story.


I am not a devout Christian or religious person myself, but as it is written in the Bible, God gives us a choice because man governs the ground he walks on as he governs himself. God gives us the choice to be good or to be evil, just as he gives us the choice whether to believe or not to believe. And if you are religious, then belief is the key to salvation. A salvation from non-existence after you die.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:43 PM   #51
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no, you just made that up...people NDE of all types...religious, athiest...everything

most religious people come back LESS RELIGIOUS...in fact there is one case of a minister having and NDE and then dropping his religion right after


everyone that has one goes through the same things...
No you made it up.

What about floating above your body and having this out of body experience would make one believe that 'karma' is indeed real and that they will come back as an earth bound human?
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Fap, they have been shown to happen without brain waves...meaning it is impossible that they were dreamed, or a hallucination


that would be quite the crazy coincedence that everyone has the same exact dream anyway
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No you made it up.

What about floating above your body and having this out of body experience would make one believe that 'karma' is indeed real and that they will come back as an earth bound human?
read up...read what they say

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research06.html

i've read the whole site
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Entirely incorrect. You will find through research of your own that NDE'ers range from many types of individuals, many of whom are doctors and scientists and have put their science first over the believability of a higher power. However, when these same scientists (men of higher knowledge) experience NDE's themselves, or go around the country interviewing hundreds and thousands of people who share the same sensation, that science cannot itself explain, they inevitably change their story.


I am not a devout Christian or religious person myself, but as it is written in the Bible, God gives us a choice because man governs the ground he walks on as he governs himself. God gives us the choice to be good or to be evil, just as he gives us the choice whether to believe or not to believe. And if you are religious, then belief is the key to salvation. A salvation from non-existence after you die.
You're not a devout Christian or religious yourself, but you're quoting the bible?



I guess some people just refuse to believe in logic and reason.

You can't just quote the bible as if it's some sort of truth.

Silly on many levels
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IMO the universe just popping out of nothing is illogical

thank God gravity exists...and light...and "time"...we really lucked out there
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read up...read what they say

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research06.html

i've read the whole site
Skimmed it. Saw nothing about being reincarnated as an Earth bound human, based on your previous human life.

'One of the truths about NDEs is that each person integrates their NDE into their own pre-existing belief system.' (Jody Long)
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Fap, they have been shown to happen without brain waves...meaning it is impossible that they were dreamed, or a hallucination


that would be quite the crazy coincedence that everyone has the same exact dream anyway

Ok, I'll explain it to you like a child.

NDE= When your brain lacks oxygen you start seeing shit.


PLEASE stop bringing NEAR death experience in a thread about AFTER death.
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Ok, I'll explain it to you like a child.

NDE= When your brain lacks oxygen you start seeing shit.
no, that is wrong

I would ask you to try to explain it like a doctor, but even doctors can't do that right now
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I see.. you're one of those people.

I'm out.
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PLEASE stop bringing NEAR death experience in a thread about AFTER death.
it is the only evidence we have of what happens

they are clinically dead...no brain waves
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