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Old 03-22-2013, 02:38 PM   #31
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Default Re: Which Players Have Gotten the Most Overrated Since Retirement

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ALl 3 players have their cult of followers so fans of all 3 happen to believe their big guy is uunderrated compared to the other two. But the fact of the matter is, you easily build a case for all three being better than the other 2.

For Shaq, the case is built aroundd dominance, fur Duncan it's teamplay and for Hakeem it's offensive skillls and killer defense. To me, Hakeem was the most entertaning to watch. so he is my favorite player of the 3. (And 2nd favorite all-time only behind Magic.) But I can easily understand people having Shaq and/or Duncan ahead of him as far as the GOAT list is concerned.

I agree with most of this. I just feel Hakeem is the closest of the 3 to getting bumped off the top 10.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:38 PM   #32
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Definitely MJ.. It was an image brand thing after a while.. You'd think he was god. Watch this clip below at the 5 minute mark. MJ says twice he isn't about trash talk, doesn't do it.. Of course they showed he was probably the best trash talker ever right after wards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91LD9...e_gdata_player

It's about protecting the money.. Make him look like a better guy than he is. Pure exxageration, like your marketing the next apple product.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:41 PM   #33
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And it's funny in that same video magic says he doesn't talk.. Lets the W's do the talking for him. Can you imagine magic not.. talking? That dude definitely talked shit.. More marketing.
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Not retired yet, but there are already people building up the legend of Grant Hill.
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Definitely MJ.. It was an image brand thing after a while.. You'd think he was god. Watch this clip below at the 5 minute mark. MJ says twice he isn't about trash talk, doesn't do it.. Of course they showed he was probably the best trash talker ever right after wards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91LD9...e_gdata_player

It's about protecting the money.. Make him look like a better guy than he is. Pure exxageration, like your marketing the next apple product.

Where do you think Jordan should rank?
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Not retired yet, but there are already people building up the legend of Grant Hill.


To be fair, Hill was the LeBron of his time. He averaged 22/8/6 in his first 6 seasons. Injuries definitely took away from what could have been, but he hasn't been on a superstar level in 13 years. Many people here can't recall how sick he was before he got hurt.
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To be fair, Hill was the LeBron of his time. He averaged 22/8/6 in his first 6 seasons. Injuries definitely took away from what could have been, but he hasn't been on a superstar level in 13 years. Many people here can't recall how sick he was before he got hurt.

I remember watching him in his prime. But the guy was never a real #1 option imo. He was the KG of small forwards imo. He put up the stats a #1 would, but he never struck me as the guy that going to carry the team.
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Where do you think Jordan should rank?
It's fine to have him at the top spot.. He actually has the best case of anyone. But people literally scoff at you if you say someone else is better. If you put..

Larry Bird on the Knicks(instead of starks)
Magic on Portland(instead of porter)
Wilt on the Warriors(instead of webber)
Kareem on the Jazz(instead of malone)

In the 90s with equal teams Is MJ going to lead the Bulls past all of them every year? There's probably a different champion every year.
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pippen >> wade easily in terms of everything (leadership, defense, skill, hunger etc)

Humor me as to how Pippen is a better leader than Wade? Is pouting on the bench, and refusing to enter the play when the coach draws up a play for Toni Kukoc in a late game situation an example of this said great leadership?

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It's fine to have him at the top spot.. He actually has the best case of anyone. But people literally scoff at you if you say someone else is better. If you put..

Larry Bird on the Knicks(instead of starks)
Magic on Portland(instead of porter)
Wilt on the Warriors(instead of webber)
Kareem on the Jazz(instead of malone)

In the 90s with equal teams Is MJ going to lead the Bulls past all of them every year? There's probably a different champion every year.

Yeah. Seconded. And while we are at it, let's put prime Shaq on Phoenix, next to Barkley and instead of Oliver Miller.
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Reggie Miller, Pippen, Barkley

Barkley is underrated.
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It's fine to have him at the top spot.. He actually has the best case of anyone. But people literally scoff at you if you say someone else is better. If you put..

Larry Bird on the Knicks(instead of starks)
Magic on Portland(instead of porter)
Wilt on the Warriors(instead of webber)
Kareem on the Jazz(instead of malone)


In the 90s with equal teams Is MJ going to lead the Bulls past all of them every year? There's probably a different champion every year.



You can do this for every all-time great, Kobe (your boy) included.
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Wade's 2006 title alone absolutely craps on anything Scottie did.
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I remember watching him in his prime. But the guy was never a real #1 option imo. He was the KG of small forwards imo. He put up the stats a #1 would, but he never struck me as the guy that going to carry the team.


Sure looked like a #1 option in '96 when he led the Pistons to 46 wins and a playoff appearance with Allan Houston, an aging Joe Dumars, a past his prime Otis Thorpe, Lindsey Hunter, and Mark West and Don Reid splitting starts at center.

Looked like a #1 option again the following season leading the Pistons to 54 wins with Dumars, Hunter, Thorpe, and the starting center spot split between Theo Ratliff, Reid, and Grant Long.
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Barkley is underrated.


No he's not. He took way too many plays off on D and his work ethic was questionable on his best day. Pippen himself even slammed Barkley on that very issue.
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