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Old 03-22-2013, 03:46 PM   #61
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Show me one instance of Wade displaying this type of leadership and hunger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7SbG-8Bvgk

Pippen wasn't suited for top dog status and he knew it, that's why the Bulls worked so seamlessly.



Man those Jordan X shoes were ****ing ugly.
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:47 PM   #62
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Shaq

Does anybody else find it ironic that he's only considered the "MDE" for the 3 years of his career where he played with another top 10 GOAT?

His Orlando teams were stacked, got swept by Hakkeem in the finals.

His Lakers teams didn't go anywhere until Kobe developed into a top 5 player in the league

Dude played with 3 of the best guards in his era. 1 top 10 GOAT 1 top 25 GOAT.

Great player, but the "MDE" thing gets tossed around way to much, you're not really the "MDE" when you couldn't get it done with Penny, got swept by a Hakeem led Rockets team and only won championships when you had a top 2 player in the League playing beside you.

Dominant? yes, MDE? no

Olajuwon played 6 playoff games against the Spurs (prime Robinson + Rodman)

Olajuwon vs Spurs

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1995 WCF

G1 27 pt

G2 41 pt

G3 43 pt

G4 20 pt

G5 42 pt

G6 39 pt

Avg 35.3 pt


Shaq played 30 playoff games against the Spurs.He scored 30+ points four times.

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1999 WCSF

21
16
22
36-> 1

Avg 23.8

2001 WCF

28
19
35-> 2
26

Avg 27.0


2002 WCSF

23
19
22
22
21

Avg 21.4


2003 WCSF

24
27
21
29
20
31 -> 3

Avg 25.3


2004 WCSF

19
32 -> 4
28
28
11
17

Avg 22.5


2008 WCFR

11
19
19
14
13

Avg 15.2



(1999 - 2004) Avg 23.9

(1999 - 2008) Avg 22.4
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:52 PM   #63
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Olajuwon played 6 playoff games against the Spurs (prime Robinson + Rodman)

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Shaq played 30 playoff games against the Spurs.He scored 30+ points four times.

Shaq vs Spurs
Damn that's interesting.. Hakeem beat Shaq head to head too. SHAQ's all muscle and no mind. Pacers, Nets, Mavs, and Sixers.. Probably the weakest collection of big men in the finals ever. Would Shaq ever have beat a team in the Finals with a big man on his level?
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:55 PM   #64
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Man those Jordan X shoes were ****ing ugly.
man u buggin, those 10's were nice
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man u buggin, those 10's were nice
This. Them Chicago 10s are some of the most classic Js
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I don't about once they retire, but prior to retirement LeBron, hands down.

Never have I seen a player get so much undeserved love than him. He FINALLY has a playoffs where he doesn't completely chit the bed in a series (which has previously happpened in ALL of his appearances ) and all the sudden is a top 10 player. I just don't get it.

1/3 alltime in the finals? The statistical equivalent to Derek Fisher in the 4th quarter? Quitting on his team multiple times...

and he's top 10?
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:43 PM   #67
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man u buggin, those 10's were nice

I can't stand the 10s. They look Payless shoes. Give me the 4s, 7,s, and 14s.
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I used to think he was a genius when he played, due to his mind games that got the person he was guarding thrown out of the game, and how smart he was about rebounding. So it doesn't surprised me that people throw the word genius around. Back then I remember some people thinking he was a thug, bad person, totally not seeing his genius. So I'm glad people are seeing his genius now, though I really don't see a lot of people calling him genius. Maybe you saw my other comment today about Dennis in which I think I did call him smart.

Now in real life, he doesn't seem that smart.
With respect, that's the kind of thinking I disagree with and I think that plays into some folks overrating Dennis Rodman. I found his tactics sometimes clever, but surely not genius.

To be completely blunt, playing the types of mind games that get opponents upset enough to possibly be thrown out of games is a relatively simple process. It's more about someone's willingness to be a jerk. In fact, I employed the same strategies during my playing career and it had nothing to do with some sort of genius mindgame I was playing. It was just a willingness to be coy, a little deceitful, and being able to pick which hot-headed opponent would be most willing to make things about more than just a game. It's a little brother tactic. By that I mean, a lot of little brother's know growing up just the right buttons to push to make the big brother flip out and get in trouble while little brother then stands by innocently.

On the flip side, Rodman also displayed poor on-court judgment in many, many instances. For someone earning a smart or genius tag as much as he seems to, he surely headbutted, threw, and kicked a lot of people in fits of blind rage that did not seem particularly well thought out.

All that said, I learned a lot from Rodman, I employed many of his strategies, and again, I think he was a very good ballplayer, but I just think his folklore sometimes takes on a life of its own.

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Not an overrated player, but I think Hakeem gets a little overrated when it comes to legacy. You would Shaq or Duncan has a greater chance of getting knocked off the top 10 list before him.

Funny I'd say he's under rated. Allthough you're like 16 years old and don't understand anything about anything.
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It's fine to have him at the top spot.. He actually has the best case of anyone. But people literally scoff at you if you say someone else is better. If you put..

Larry Bird on the Knicks(instead of starks)
Magic on Portland(instead of porter)
Wilt on the Warriors(instead of webber)
Kareem on the Jazz(instead of malone)

In the 90s with equal teams Is MJ going to lead the Bulls past all of them every year? There's probably a different champion every year.

No way Jordan is beating those Knicks or Blazers, but should he really be expected to? Those teams are considerably more talented than his own. I think you'd see a Knicks vs Portland finals every year.

The Blazers were already more talented than the Bulls to begin with, giving them Magic would just be unfair.
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Yeah. Seconded. And while we are at it, let's put prime Shaq on Phoenix, next to Barkley and instead of Oliver Miller.

Maybe I'm missing your point, but what are you guys trying to prove? No way Jordan is beating these teams you guys are putting together, but does that really mean anything?

You could say that about almost any player, or any championship team.

Give the Thunder Bill Russell instead of Serge Ibacka, do the Heat still win?

Give Orlando Larry Bird instead of Rashard Lewis, do the Lakers still win?

Give Boston Michael Jordan instead of Paul Pierce, do the Lakers still win?

Give LA prime Tim Duncan instead of Pau Gasol, do the Celtics still win?
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You completely and totally missed the point dude.

I must be missing your point as well.
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Pippen wasn't suited for top dog status and he knew it, that's why the Bulls worked so seamlessly.

1. one bad play in a million? ill still take pippen

2. pippen was a top dog with jordan. pippen led a JORDANLESS bulls to 55 wins and almost a finals appearance. jordan wasnt even REPLACED.. if they had a suitable REPLACEMENT pippen wouldve won a chip,

pippen was 12 minutes away from a chip with the blazers until kobe/shaq took over. .. he was also the top dog /playmaker on that Blazers squad.

jordan never sniffed a championship without pippen (didnt make playoffs on wizards either).. pippen came close twice.
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I've seen Drexler get pretty overrated here.
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