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Old 03-24-2013, 09:45 PM   #16
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Default Re: Just uploaded videos for 10 NBA finals between '47-'67!

The 70's was the great leap forward for Basketball, with Dr. J and Kareem.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:10 PM   #17
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Default Re: Just uploaded videos for 10 NBA finals between '47-'67!

My God, I clicked on a few of those videos

Just as I expected, a bunch of slow footed white guys with dubious handles and awkward looking jumpers.

Not impressed in the least.
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So Bill Russel dominated in that era eh?
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:19 PM   #19
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Such fundamentally sound players, no doubt in my mind they would dominate todays league....now seriously, I fell asleep half-way through the '47 finals
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:50 PM   #20
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Damn that ball handling skills.

Cool videos, btw.
Today's players carry and palm during the dribble and can place their hands anywhere on the ball at any time with an extremely gratuitous amount of hesitations. It requires skill to do, yes, but it's only a skill you can develop if the league allows it. The rules of the game have been heavily bent the past 50 years to allow the kind of dribbling "skill" we see today.

In the 50's and even well into the 1980's players were taught to dribble "palms down" and this was a rule that was once strictly enforced. It loosened up a little in the 60's, and a little more in the 70's especially with the ABA where visual entertainment and style became a premium to keep that league afloat, and during the tail end of the Jordan era coming into the Iverson / Kobe era virtually all the old fashioned dribble rules were basically thrown into the bushes for a more entertaining brand of basketball that showcased individualism and iso style over the more complicated and mundane looking team style ball that involved screen setting, pick and rolls, etc. Showcasing 1 man at a time is more fan friendly. This is why the modern game is all about superstars carrying teams and why modern players appear more fluid and can dribble in 3 dimensions - where as those 50's and early 60's players basically dribble one dimensional. The game back then wasn't catered to taking your man off the dribble.

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Old 03-25-2013, 12:55 AM   #21
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Today's players carry and palm during the dribble and can place their hands anywhere on the ball at any time with an extremely gratuitous amount of hesitations. It requires skill to do, yes, but it's only a skill you can develop if the league allows it. The rules of the game have been heavily bent the past 50 years to allow the kind of dribbling "skill" we see today.

In the 50's and even well into the 1980's players were taught to dribble "palms down" and this was a rule that was once strictly enforced. It loosened up a little in the 60's, and a little more in the 70's especially with the ABA where visual entertainment and style became a premium to keep that league afloat, and during the tail end of the Jordan era coming into the Iverson / Kobe era virtually all the old fashioned dribble rules were basically thrown into the bushes for a more entertaining brand of basketball that showcased individualism and iso style over the more complicated and mundane looking team style ball that involved screen setting, pick and rolls, etc. Showcasing 1 man at a time is more fan friendly. This is why the modern game is all about superstars carrying teams and why modern players appear more fluid and can dribble in 3 dimensions - where as those 50's and early 60's players basically dribble one dimensional. The game back then wasn't catered to taking your man off the dribble.


Thought experiment: For one game if you called the game based on the rules of the 50's Could the lakers of today beat the lakers of mikans era. Or would they be unable to compete due to being called for for Carrying on every possession . Also could Kobe master the one handed set shot?

Final score prediction.

Mikan lakers: 78 points
Kobe lakers: 80 Turnovers
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:01 AM   #22
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exactly my point.

in order to dribble under EXTREMELY STRICT RULES, your dribbling hand must be on the TOP of the ball all the time.

Even if you accidentially put you dribbling hand on the SIDE of the ball, Its automatic CARRY.

Forget CROSSOVER! thats a CARRY
Seriously, some people don't know shit....good post...I'm sure if ball handlers were allowed to do all the carrying and palming of the ball that they can do today, they would be crossing people over also...

And for anybody who doesn't understand progression...Of course the modern era looks better than the old school...where the **** do you think the modern era got its start? It couldn't be that they took and improved upon the foundation that was set for them....youngins... youngins on ish
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Today's players carry and palm during the dribble and can place their hands anywhere on the ball at any time with an extremely gratuitous amount of hesitations. It requires skill to do, yes, but it's only a skill you can develop if the league allows it. The rules of the game have been heavily bent the past 50 years to allow the kind of dribbling "skill" we see today.

In the 50's and even well into the 1980's players were taught to dribble "palms down" and this was a rule that was once strictly enforced. It loosened up a little in the 60's, and a little more in the 70's especially with the ABA where visual entertainment and style became a premium to keep that league afloat, and during the tail end of the Jordan era coming into the Iverson / Kobe era virtually all the old fashioned dribble rules were basically thrown into the bushes for a more entertaining brand of basketball that showcased individualism and iso style over the more complicated and mundane looking team style ball that involved screen setting, pick and rolls, etc. Showcasing 1 man at a time is more fan friendly. This is why the modern game is all about superstars carrying teams and why modern players appear more fluid and can dribble in 3 dimensions - where as those 50's and early 60's players basically dribble one dimensional. The game back then wasn't catered to taking your man off the dribble.
Be careful with all that logic, you know the feebleminded will neg you for this...
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:16 AM   #24
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Default Re: Just uploaded videos for 10 NBA finals between '47-'67!

The good 'ol 1950's...back when you didn't have to jump to play basketball.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:29 AM   #25
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Default Re: Just uploaded videos for 10 NBA finals between '47-'67!

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I made a video earlier about a video I uploaded but here's my last one for the day as I just finished uploaded highlights for half of the first 20 NBA Finals.

A lot of these were not on youtube before today, at least not when I searched yesterday. And the ones that were are different. But anyways I hope you guys enjoy!

1947 BAA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxCrtdPNSc

1953 NBA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhWSir_hxz4

1954 NBA Finals



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI

1955 NBA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF9Pm8fjzdg

1958 NBA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQH6Z5oWugM

1960 NBA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvrCl12-kKo

1961 NBA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MueOKoItAj8

1964 NBA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnqP0iWrU4g

1966 NBA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rphjeVU2Gz4

1967 NBA Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVKpcKT4Kig


Enjoy guys!!!


Good effort. I need to study the 50s and 60s more.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:39 AM   #26
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Seriously, some people don't know shit....good post...I'm sure if ball handlers were allowed to do all the carrying and palming of the ball that they can do today, they would be crossing people over also...

And for anybody who doesn't understand progression...Of course the modern era looks better than the old school...where the **** do you think the modern era got its start? It couldn't be that they took and improved upon the foundation that was set for them....youngins... youngins on ish

Yup, and accoding to them, what these players did in their era showcases what they'd do in this era as well and constitutes "proof" that they wouldn't make the league.
Yes, I'd totally expect a 40's player to still take set shots if he played today and I'd definitely expect him to be unable to acquire a decent crossover dribble, which is such a hard skill to get that you have even 10 year olds and players from scrub leagues use it.
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Yup, and accoding to them, what these players did in their era showcases what they'd do in this era as well and constitutes "proof" that they wouldn't make the league.
Yes, I'd totally expect a 40's player to still take set shots if he played today and I'd definitely expect him to be unable to acquire a decent crossover dribble, which is such a hard skill to get that you have even 10 year olds and players from scrub leagues use it.

I wish I could find the post, but I remember PHILA posting a video of a little boy's team from the 1950's doing various AND1 dribbling "tricks" and antics with basketballs.

Edit: I found the post, but PHILA's youtube page had been terminated. Fortunately I was able to find a video of that youth b-ball team doing those "tricks." They were called the Dover Basketeers .

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Dover Basketeers in the 50's NBA = multiple titles...
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Edit: I found the post, but PHILA's youtube page had been terminated. Fortunately I was able to find a video of that youth b-ball team doing those "tricks." They were called the Dover Basketeers .


I have reuploaded again, along with the Cheney Stud Courteers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLH6bau9uo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI7dkiOPEdQ
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I have reuploaded again, along with the Cheney Stud Courteers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLH6bau9uo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI7dkiOPEdQ



So according to the logic on ISH, if NBA players were to do what 8 yr. olds of their same era were doing then that would make them better, more talented players.
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