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Old 03-25-2013, 12:41 AM   #46
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Default Re: Kobe Bryant has the 3rd leading PPG all time as a #1 option

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Ya boy shot them out of the series as he desperately gunned for the Finals MVP.

Stop.

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First option is over rated. If your big man always catch your misses and score that helps the team a lot.
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When it comes right down to it I'd rather have Robert Horry on my team. He makes the shot when it matters. And more rings.
Robert Horry or Lebron in an NBA Finals series? Who do you take?

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No surprise here.

Kobe as the #1 option is just a beast.
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Default Re: Kobe Bryant has the 3rd leading PPG all time as a #1 option

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Naw bro. You gotta give up.

Kobe is 4th behind LeBron's 28.5 (I took out 2010-11 since LeBron and Wade struggled to see who was #1 that season).

Here is a revised list of people who have a higher ppg average as the number 1 option on their team. These are the averages for seasons that these players led their team in Field Goal attempts.

Wilt 39.4ppg
Jordan 30.1ppg
West 29.9ppg
Robertson 29.6ppg
Baylor 29.1ppg
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Prove it.

Games 1 & 4.
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I know kobe haters hate this thread ... o well
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So much ownage of Griffey and so much backpedaling by Griffey in this thread. Dumbass OP getting exposed, AGAIN....nothing new here.

And the most FGA/game = 1st option? Huh, I guess that means Westbrook has been our first option the last 2 seasons, not Durant.
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Here is a revised list of people who have a higher ppg average as the number 1 option on their team. These are the averages for seasons that these players led their team in Field Goal attempts.

Wilt 39.4ppg
Jordan 30.1ppg
West 29.9ppg
Robertson 29.6ppg
Baylor 29.1ppg





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this is why career averages favor guys who are drafted to bad teams. and shouldnt be used in all time rankings.

the real way to judge a career is sustained dominance, highest level of play and how long they stayed at that level


Why do you think its a big factor? AI, Dantley and Gervin are rarely seen in anybodies top 30. Scoring is an aspect of individual play. Kobe isn't going to move up on anybody's ranking because he's third PPG. People know he could score. His problem was that he seemed too entranced with it and at times played poorly because of this obsession. Kevin Durant is the highest scoring player right now and probably will be for five more years and has been for four years? And he's very efficient. TBH, I think he's going to be top one or two of the best scorers ever. Is he considered the best player the last four years??? Any of those years?

Tim Duncan, Magic, Russell, Akeem and Bird were never the leagues best scorers and they make up half of the top ten GOAT.

Nobody is going to say Kobe was the more impressive scorer than Shaq in their stay together, either. The impressive scorers of the GOAT were Wilt and Jordan. But both of them have other great qualities or attributes (Wilt was the leagues greatest rebounder ever as well). Kareem had his years of great scoring but he has a lot of other claims to fame. So I don't see ppg being something to move Kobe up or down. In fact, it sets him up to be moved down as Durant continues his work.
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:09 AM   #56
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So much ownage of Griffey and so much backpedaling by Griffey in this thread. Dumbass OP getting exposed, AGAIN....nothing new here.

And the most FGA/game = 1st option? Huh, I guess that means Westbrook has been our first option the last 2 seasons, not Durant.


not really. the whole point was to show kobes true average is much higher

done

and to show that kobe was the #1 option of 2 out of 3 titles with shaq

done

and that he would be 3rd all time compared to the current rankings

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like i care if a few other guys had a higher average through around 6-8 years

kobes 28ppg average is over 13 years. a true careers worth of seasons
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:12 AM   #57
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Here is a revised list of people who have a higher ppg average as the number 1 option on their team. These are the averages for seasons that these players led their team in Field Goal attempts.

Wilt 39.4ppg
Jordan 30.1ppg
West 29.9ppg
Robertson 29.6ppg
Baylor 29.1ppg


i think jordan and wilt are the only guys on that list with even close to a realistic pace average above kobes

adjusted pace for the other 3 of those guys would drop those averages to 23-24ppg.
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:31 AM   #58
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not really. the whole point was to show kobes true average is much higher

done
True average? So because he made the choice to skip college and go straight to the NBA, we're supposed to ignore the fact that he wasn't anywhere close to being ready to shoulder the load as a #1 option until about his 5th year in the league?

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and to show that kobe was the #1 option of 2 out of 3 titles with shaq

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More FGA does not mean he as the #1 option dumbass. I guess that means Russell Westbrook has been OKC's #1 option the last two seasons?

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and that he would be 3rd all time compared to the current rankings

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Not if you go by your stupid made up criteria of "#1 option = most FGA/game on the team" as has been clearly pointed out to you numerous times in this thread, yet you continue to backpedal. In fact, Kobe wouldn't even be top 5 all-time by your criteria.

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Durant is better than westbrook..

But how can you automatically say Durant is the first option? Defenses don't double Durant anymore than they do westbrook.. Westbrook has the ball a lot more.. Westbrook takes just as many clutch shots down the stretches of games(though Durant usually gets the GW attempts)..

Overall though, they're 1a/1b. Durant puts up prettier scoring numbers because he's a better shooter and picks his spots/doesn't have to handle the ball or control the game the whole time. But westbrook has just as heavy an offensive burden as Durant does.
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Durant is better than westbrook..

But how can you automatically say Durant is the first option? Defenses don't double Durant anymore than they do westbrook.. Westbrook has the ball a lot more.. Westbrook takes just as many clutch shots down the stretches of games(though Durant usually gets the GW attempts)..

Overall though, they're 1a/1b. Durant puts up prettier scoring numbers because he's a better shooter and picks his spots/doesn't have to handle the ball or control the game the whole time. But westbrook has just as heavy an offensive burden as Durant does.


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