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Old 07-11-2013, 01:13 PM   #76
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We are all obviously entitled to our own opinion. I see I am in the minority in thinking that the Bulls are not good enough to beat the Heat as presently constructed.

But I understand where you are all coming from, for sure. Just no matter which way I look at it, once Lebron decides to guard Rose, our offense shuts down. Not a single other player on our team can consistently create his own shot. So I looked to improve upon that. An oft-injured player is not the best antidote, but it was the best option I could come up with.
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:11 PM   #77
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How about ditching Marquis Teague to a team with cap space and resigning Nate Robinson?

If we trade Deng, it needs to be for someone who will actually improve the team. Eric Gordon doesn't do that if we lose Deng in the process.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:34 PM   #78
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Hinrich > nate Buttler > Nate Rose > nate
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We are all obviously entitled to our own opinion. I see I am in the minority in thinking that the Bulls are not good enough to beat the Heat as presently constructed.

But I understand where you are all coming from, for sure. Just no matter which way I look at it, once Lebron decides to guard Rose, our offense shuts down. Not a single other player on our team can consistently create his own shot. So I looked to improve upon that. An oft-injured player is not the best antidote, but it was the best option I could come up with.

Rose wasn't "shutdown" by Lebron. His driving lanes were cutoff and his ability to do what he does was limited from a collection of Heat players honing in on Rose's strengths due to unreliable shooters and Noah and Boozer were carrying injury, so Heat dared Rose to do it all. Now, this is a totally different team to the 2011 team. We now have Butler and Dunleavy, Noah has improved, and the core has played together for alot longer now.

Butler will be able to guard Lebron(Deng didnt guard him well that series), Dunleavy will be able to keep Miami defense from honing in on Rose with his shooting(no bogans more spacing and Heat players will have to respect the shooters now)and overall defense will be that much better with Deng Butler and Noah.

Heat showed me last year that they have obvious weaknesses and if not for a couple of things going their way, they could of been eliminated by inferior opponents to the Bulls.
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Rose wasn't "shutdown" by Lebron. His driving lanes were cutoff and his ability to do what he does was limited from a collection of Heat players honing in on Rose's strengths due to unreliable shooters and Noah and Boozer were carrying injury, so Heat dared Rose to do it all. Now, this is a totally different team to the 2011 team. We now have Butler and Dunleavy, Noah has improved, and the core has played together for alot longer now.

Butler will be able to guard Lebron(Deng didnt guard him well that series), Dunleavy will be able to keep Miami defense from honing in on Rose with his shooting(no bogans more spacing and Heat players will have to respect the shooters now)and overall defense will be that much better with Deng Butler and Noah.

Heat showed me last year that they have obvious weaknesses and if not for a couple of things going their way, they could of been eliminated by inferior opponents to the Bulls.

I never said ROSE was shut down. I said our offense was. It sputtered without someone to take pressure off Rose, and with no real shooters to help space the floor.

Now we have some shooters, but are we really going to play Dunleavy and Snell and Murphy in crunch time against the Heat? Butler is a nice shooter, I guess, but he doesn't scare me. I wouldn't purposefully leave him open, but neither would I be concerned about Butler torching me from deep.

Fact is, this team NEEDS another creator at an absolute minimum. Ideally a better player that can also shoot really well. And lastly, a rim protector as a backup, 10-20 mins a night. Not my fault that Gordon fits the first two criteria by himself. Yes he's injury prone, but we will not win a title by standing pat. Risks need to be taken, or we'll be the Milwaukee Bucks on steroids; never really improving, or getting worse either, and staying a top 4 seed without being a real threat.

Right now, the only way for the Bulls to win a title is to hope the Heat are not healthy.
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Bill Simmons' article on how to fix the Lakers:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9466869/lakers

He mentions a Pau for Deng trade. I hate it, with a passion. But anyway, the part about trading away Steve Nash got me thinking...

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Nash suddenly becomes another creator and is arguably the best shooter in the league (Durant, Nash, and a select few specialists are in this discussion). Yes, we love the D of Kirk, but since our D is very much team oriented, and works well with even Boozer in the lineup, I think it can sustain Nash playing 25mins a night.

Rose/Nash/Teague
Butler/Snell
Deng/Dunleavy
Boozer/Gibson/Murphy
Noah/*ideally Dalembert on a MME deal*

With this roster, I'd still advocate for trading Deng, but we wouldn't need the same type of player back. It would still be ideal, but not as necessary.
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We need to worry about our teams health before we start worrying about another teams.

You do realize the team has no money to go sign anyone, we would have to make trades to improve. It would be extremely hard to find a trade that's going to improve the team enough to overcome the fact that we would have a new key cog on the team.

The team went 5 games against Miami (honestly should of won game 5 too), without Derrick Rose, Luol or Kirk. Add those guys back and we are better than we were last season. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Chicago atop the East standings at the end of the season.
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Bill Simmons' article on how to fix the Lakers:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9466869/lakers

He mentions a Pau for Deng trade. I hate it, with a passion. But anyway, the part about trading away Steve Nash got me thinking...

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Nash suddenly becomes another creator and is arguably the best shooter in the league (Durant, Nash, and a select few specialists are in this discussion). Yes, we love the D of Kirk, but since our D is very much team oriented, and works well with even Boozer in the lineup, I think it can sustain Nash playing 25mins a night.

Rose/Nash/Teague
Butler/Snell
Deng/Dunleavy
Boozer/Gibson/Murphy
Noah/*ideally Dalembert on a MME deal*

With this roster, I'd still advocate for trading Deng, but we wouldn't need the same type of player back. It would still be ideal, but not as necessary.

RIP isn't apart of the team. He was released. The team also only has enough for min deals to fill out the roster.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:14 PM   #84
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RIP isn't apart of the team. He was released. The team also only has enough for min deals to fill out the roster.
I thought Rip had been, but was not sure. And I know we only have enough for min deals... hence my mentioning of Dalembert getting MME. Do we not have that? Who did we use it on?
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We are all obviously entitled to our own opinion. I see I am in the minority in thinking that the Bulls are not good enough to beat the Heat as presently constructed.

But I understand where you are all coming from, for sure. Just no matter which way I look at it, once Lebron decides to guard Rose, our offense shuts down. Not a single other player on our team can consistently create his own shot. So I looked to improve upon that. An oft-injured player is not the best antidote, but it was the best option I could come up with.

You made valid points. I was wondering if Pat Riley had the same attitude right after they signed their big 3, what might have happened?
They signed Mike Miller who was very instrumental 2 finals ago.
Were they good enough? Nah, they signed Shane Battier....You think they would have still won without him?
Were they good enough esp after winning their first ring? huh, I wonder if they never signed Ray Allen esp game 6 vs the Spurs.
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We need to worry about our teams health before we start worrying about another teams.

You do realize the team has no money to go sign anyone, we would have to make trades to improve. It would be extremely hard to find a trade that's going to improve the team enough to overcome the fact that we would have a new key cog on the team.

The team went 5 games against Miami (honestly should of won game 5 too), without Derrick Rose, Luol or Kirk. Add those guys back and we are better than we were last season. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Chicago atop the East standings at the end of the season.
Lakers just signed Nick Young for 1.2 Mil for ONE year. Kaman for 3 mil. etc.

Could it be too that Miami was also playing to the level of their competition?
I mean they needed 7 games vs a team that don't have a legit star PG.
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I think this team has the potential to be better than te 62-10 team.

Butler & Dunleavy, a healthy Rose, and rested Deng (no UK team), Boozer, and Noah might put enough together to beat the Heat who looked tired and desperate in the finals.

I think so too.

I think this will be our best chance to dethrone the Heat this year, we will have to worry a bit about the Nets too who look stacked.

Dunleavy was a great signing for this team. Alot of the guys here probably haven't watched much of him, but he is a smart player with a good stroke. He will know where to be and when as the year goes on and as he learns the system. I'm wrapped that we got him.
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Lakers just signed Nick Young for 1.2 Mil for ONE year. Kaman for 3 mil. etc.

Could it be too that Miami was also playing to the level of their competition?
I mean they needed 7 games vs a team that don't have a legit star PG.

No. They were playing all out, however its more a weakness that they dont put in a sustained effort for long periods in a series, we can capitalise on that. We are better equipped to take them down now, having Butler and a sharp shooter Dunleavy is going to make it very hard for Heat to channel in on Rose and gamble defensively.

From what I saw of the heat last year, I am confident this Bulls team is better now.
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No. They were playing all out, however its more a weakness that they dont put in a sustained effort for long periods in a series, we can capitalise on that. We are better equipped to take them down now, having Butler and a sharp shooter Dunleavy is going to make it very hard for Heat to channel in on Rose and gamble defensively.

From what I saw of the heat last year, I am confident this Bulls team is better now.

As a Bulls fan, I hope and pray that you are right.
But then again, the past 3 years, all I kept hearing is that Miami is not that good.
game 1, 3 playoff games ago, oh, Bulls are simply too big, Heat are too small, then Miami took the series.
2 playoffs ago, Miami don't have size, Bosh goes down and yet beat Indiana who had Hibbert and West.
Last playoffs, oh Indiana is wiser, oh San Antonio is better with their great coach.....
IMO, the key too, is not resting on your laurels, Pat Riley was NOT content after signing the big 3, he kept signing vital players like Miller, Battier, Allen and yes even duds like Rashard Lewis. That 8-12 man is CRUCIAL esp incase your back ups don't produce. I like the first 6-7 players but I don't think you can go wrong with signing contingencies, provided ofcourse they have baggages like Stephen Jackson etc.
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Lakers just signed Nick Young for 1.2 Mil for ONE year. Kaman for 3 mil. etc.

I agree. Either would be a big help for us. The Bulls aren't even bidding up players. What the heck is going on here?
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