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Old 04-02-2013, 05:26 PM   #151
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Default Re: Kobe: I had too much talent and too much to showcase

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Kobe wouldve had more chances at scoring titles, MVPs, and other personal accolades if he didnt play with Shaq. And more rings[than the 2] as well since he proved he could lead a team to the title as the man.. twice and 3 straight finals trips.

01-07 Kobe was even better than the Kobe that did that.. so anythings possible.

Do scoring titles matter that much? And now we are just giving him the MVP?

See, this is my problem. What if he had to play on the kind of teams virtually every other player of this era other than him and Shaq have had to play on.

He's not winning many MVP's with average supporting casts.

I think we all got a really good look at how good Kobe was from 05 through 10...freed from Shaq.

Really really really ****ing great. But not on the level he thinks he is...and certainly not on the level his fans think he is.

Why play hypothetical. We saw the 06 Suns series. We saw the 05 regular season. We saw the 08 finals. Those are the kind of circumstances that are most common for other players that didn't have the great fortune Kobe did.

I think you'd see a lot more of that...unless he got paired up with the likes of KG and Dirk. And even then...winning titles from 01 through 07 would have been very difficult.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:26 PM   #152
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Dude its not about how many shots he took..

Kobe couldve taken 50 a game and Shaq wouldve still been the better player and gotten all the glory.

THATS what he sacrificed. No matter how great he played, SHAQ was going to get the credit.
That's not a sacrifice. That's just Shaq being better than him.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:26 PM   #153
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Why would Hakeem be ahead of LeBron? Does he have 4 MVPs I'm unaware of?

Are you mentally handicapped?
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Dude its not about how many shots he took..

Kobe couldve taken 50 a game and Shaq wouldve still been the better player and gotten all the glory.

THATS what he sacrificed. No matter how great he played, SHAQ was going to get the credit.

Because Shaq was better. That isn't sacrificing. It's called not being as good as another player.

No version of Kobe touches 00 to 02 Shaq. So what?

So now it's a sacrifice to win 3 rings and put up great numbers while doing so?

Holy shit.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:28 PM   #155
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Are you mentally handicapped?
G'head. Explain what I'm not understanding.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:29 PM   #156
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lol gyno is back in full force

or is that one of his two brothers?
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:29 PM   #157
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G'head. Explain what I'm not understanding.
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MVP. The award they gave Malone because they got tired of giving it to Jordan. Steve Nash has 2. Derrick Rose has the same amount as Shaq and Kobe. What idiocy.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:30 PM   #158
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Why would Hakeem be ahead of LeBron? Does he have 4 MVPs I'm unaware of?
2 rings leading his own team > 1 ring won with a stacked team of prime Wade and Bosh.

Lots of stars could have replaced Lebron and still won. Nobody can replace Hakeem.
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2 rings leading his own team > 1 ring won with a stacked team of prime Wade and Bosh.

Lots of stars could have replaced Lebron and still won. Nobody can replace Hakeem.
Try reading. It works wonders.
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Try reading. It works wonders.
The exact advice you need. oh shiit you didn't finish school
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:32 PM   #161
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Because Shaq was better. That isn't sacrificing. It's called not being as good as another player.

No version of Kobe touches 00 to 02 Shaq. So what?

So now it's a sacrifice to win 3 rings and put up great numbers while doing so?

Holy shit.
I dont think youre getting it..

Look at it from Kobe's perspective. Hes a superstar doing his part, dropping 27+/5+/5+ all 1st team defense guard.. and no matter how good he plays, hes considered a Pippen to Shaqs MJ. Kobe wants to be MJ. Not Pippen.

And he was good enough to be a MJ on a contending team without Shaq from 01-05. Its not hard to grasp the message.
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So now it's a sacrifice to win 3 rings and put up great numbers while doing so?
When you get the pippen treatment for it afterwards?

Fvck yes.

The 'great numbers' makes it even worse. If he put up 20/6/6 instead of 29/7/6 than at least the pippen treatment would make sense. But he didnt for 2 of the championships.

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MVP. The award they gave Malone because they got tired of giving it to Jordan. Steve Nash has 2. Derrick Rose has the same amount as Shaq and Kobe. What idiocy.
Ok, fine. Lets assume your exactly right about MVPs. They don't count.


That being said, why is Hakeem with 2 rings and 2 FMVPs ahead of LeBron with 2 rings and 2 FMVPs? Why is it "mentally handicapped" to ask?
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:34 PM   #164
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Why the hell not? And with Phil at head coach? He most certainly could.

Yep. I don't know why people have this exaggerated view of Kobe. It's bizarre.

You pair any swingmen from the 2000's w/ the GOAT coach and the MOST dominant player since peak MJ...they're going to win titles too.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:36 PM   #165
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Ah, there's the egotistical, delusional retard that I have always known Kobe Bryant to be.

Can't wait until this overrated clown is gone from the NBA.
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