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Old 04-14-2013, 10:26 AM   #61
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I don't know how the situation is in the UK, but in the Netherlands the Polish work immigration generally takes place under this construction:

Polish people sign up with a specialized staffing firm in Poland. These staffing firms then put these Poles to work in the Netherlands and pay them minimum wage. But in order to get this job the worker must also make use of the services provided by the staffing agency, such as housing, utilities and groceries.

The staffing agency pays them a salary, but also bills them for services rendered. Creating a situation where they pay minimum wage in a legal sense but operate far below the cost level of the domestic workforce. It's a loophole. The Poles don't get jobs because they work harder, they get jobs because they cost less than minimum wage and can easily be exploited.
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Polish people don't work harder, it is a myth.

I have worked with Polish people in the past and most were very lazy and extremely arrogant. I no longer have to, thank god.

None of them like or respect England. They even used to say this. They stay in their pack and talk Polish to each other even when they are around English people which is very rude.

The Polish women used to sleep with management to get ahead and promotion. They were as bad, if not worse, than English girls for sluttyness. They just had a way of hiding it.

I don't like to tar them all the same brush. There were the odd one who was decent.
Im telling you the ones I know in my university in my course work extremely hard. Ones I know outside of uni work ridiculous hours. This is just people I know, in comparison to all the english who refuse to work minimum wage jobs.

Of course not all Polish work hard and not all English are lazy.
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Props to Bulgaria.
Many countries like Latvia and France and Serbia happily rounded up all their jews no questions asked and sent them to the slaughter.

Really not sure how much you know about World War 2 history after that comment.......

As for the other points in this topic.

1. When Western Europeans say theyre def up with "Romanians" and "Bulgarians" in the EU they are nearly always referring to "Roma" (Or gypsies) and not to ethnic Romanians and Bulgarians.

2. Gypsies dont look more like Bulgarians then Indians LOL. Although some ethnic Bulgarians may have oriental looks (based on their ancestors Turkic stock, the Bulgars) the vast majority look like your regular Slavs/Europeans.

3. As a Uni student ive come across my fair share of international students from China/Indonesia/Malaysia etc. I have to agree that sometimes they can be difficult, but I put that all down too being shy. The majority of Australian-born Asians I know drive around in Mercs, sell weed and "try" to play ball (Aswell as studying Commerce). In other words they act like like everyone else

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Really not sure how much you know about World War 2 history after that comment.......


Educate yourself. Jasenovac was the only nazi death camp not run by Germans in all of Europe and it was run by Serbs. The Serbian government organized its own deathcamps and work camps to suck up to the Nazis. Only 17% of Serbian Jews survived the Holocaust and an SS officer is quoted as saying Serbia was the only country that the "Jew and Gypsy problem" was truly solved.

I question what you know about WWII history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenov...entration_camp

In 1942, Commander of the Serbian Gestapo said "Serbien ist judenfrei."

Serbs also invented their own knife specifically for killing Jews and gypsies, called the Srbosjek aka Serb-cutter.


You have alot to learn about history, sport.

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So basically it sounds like some Asian exchange students got themselves a maid when they moved in with the OP.

And the reason they seem socially awkward to you is because they tend not to socialize with the help

This.

Please remember that you are dealing with East Asian EXCHANGE students. Students who go on a costly exchange in Europe so far from home for a semester or a year are likely to be rich spoiled brats who lived a pampered life. They probably have maids and servants at home and never washed anything in their lives ever.

This does not mean East Asian people are slobs. You can find many spoiled white brats around too.

The responsible students will be saving up for the future, for their marriage, to buy a home, further education...etc rather than blow tens of thousands to spend a year away from home in a foreign land. You aren't meeting any of these people.
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Here's a little bit of the situation from my perspective. A little bit of background; I go to ta large university (main campus/state school, etc.). Due to that, we have a lot of foreign students coming to study, visit for a semester, etc. etc. In addition, being in the engineering school, I am even more exposed to people like this. Furthermore, I also moved into the co-op on the engineering campus for this semester due to certain circumstances. Although it's not really the typical co-op (hardcore druggies, etc.), it's just FILLED with foreign exchange students since they're very flexible when it comes to contracts.

There are two types of foreign students (and I speak on the part of mostly eastern Asian people as the OP also pointed out, I'll get to other ethnicities in a bit); the ones that try to fit in, and the ones that just do not give a rats ass about other people. I don't know the background for each type of these people, but, for the most part, all of these people are from relatively wealthy backgrounds, as they can afford to come here in the first place.

So let's begin the dissection with the students that try to fit in:

These people, like those that don't try to fit in, come from wealthy backgrounds. Although they may or may not eventually move here, they understand that we have a completely different culture. Rather than completely ignore these differences, they want to see what these cultures are like, and want to experience a different culture for themselves. This means trying new things, reaching out to people of different ethnicities, and learning English as best as possible. A lot of these people are jaded against the east asian culture of "study study study," and kind of want to break out of that lifestyle that they hated when growing up. By the time their sophomore year rolls around, they've usually got a decent group of diverse individuals. It may have taken them a while to break out of their eas-asian mindset, they made it a point to at least immerse themselves in a new culture and try new things out. They're usually fairly clean (depending on person), respectful of others privacy, and quiet when necessary.

2nd type of east asians (this is about 85% of them [no sources to cite, just general observations])

These are the type of people that come here preconditioned about their thoughts on Americans. Due to their upbringing, they only know the idea of 'study,' and they look down on those that don't constantly study. In addition, they hate the very thought of the American culture. They've been brought up to hate the entire culture of 'glamour,' getting drunk, and just generally, not studying their entire lives. Due to social obligations of grades being vastly important, these people spend a lot of time studying, and will do whatever it takes to get the best grade. This includes cheating on tests (Seriously, asian people cheat on tests more than normal people), etc. It's not that they're bad people, but the social obligation probably takes a toll large enough that they feel the need to cheat. In addition to cheating on tests, these people are usually out to cheat the system in any possible way. This includes finding loopholes in contracts, or, not doing the dishes if nobody tells them to (my suite is mostly asian and it's disgusting as @$*(&. Not only do they not clean on a daily basis, they did not participate on our once-a-semester all-house clean day). Socially, they make no effort to befriend people not of their ethnicity. Although this is a very negative paragraph, I can't blame them entirely; the social stigmas with which they grew up plays a large role on their actions, and, culture shock is definitely another factor into why they do not want to branch out. You can't really 'blame' them, so to speak.

As far as other ethnicities of asians (Indians/Pakistanis/others);

They're social. Although they not have many close friends that are not of their ethnicity, they can, and will, make conversation with you. However, the one stipulation on this is that they're usually trying to ask you for a favor (read: "take advantage of you"). They try to keep to themselves if they can. These people, are, like eastern asians, usually trying to game the system. A lot of times they're lazy, and won't do work if they can get away with not doing it.
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Educate yourself. Jasenovac was the only nazi death camp not run by Germans in all of Europe and it was run by Serbs. The Serbian government organized its own deathcamps and work camps to suck up to the Nazis. Only 17% of Serbian Jews survived the Holocaust and an SS officer is quoted as saying Serbia was the only country that the "Jew and Gypsy problem" was truly solved.

I question what you know about WWII history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenov...entration_camp

In 1942, Commander of the Serbian Gestapo said "Serbien ist judenfrei."

Serbs also invented their own knife specifically for killing Jews and gypsies, called the Srbosjek aka Serb-cutter.


You have alot to learn about history, sport.

Im not sure if youre being serious or if youre trying to be funny in a sick twisted way?? Youre going to educate me on Jasenovac? Two of my great-grandparents were murdered there, aswell as great uncles and great aunts. It wasnt run by Serbs ya ****en fool, it was Concentration Camp run by Croats and used to eliminate unwated minorities like Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and anti-fascist Croats.

If you had read your OWN links you wouldnt look like such a fool right now

Yugoslavia was invaded by the Nazis in 1941 and a puppet regime was installed when the King of Serbia (Yugoslavia) fled to England. The Germans and their allies then divided Yugoslavia into 8 pieces to weaken their only enemy in the region - The Serbs. Every other ethnic group in the Balkans (Apart from the Greeks)was on the Nazis side :

*A rump Serbia became apart to the Third Reich with leaders chosen by the Nazis.
*Hungary took over Vojvodina (Northern Serbia)
*Bulgaria took over what was southern Serbia at the time (Macedonia)
*Albania took over rest of Serbia (Kosovo and Metohija)
*Italy took over Montenegro
*Slovenia became apart of the Austria/Germany
*An Independent Croatia was established that incorporated all of present Croatia/Bosnia/Hercegovina and some areas of Serbia and Montenegro.

It was within this Independent Croatia that 700 000 SERBS (aswell as Jews and Gyspies) were murdered by the Croatian Fascist Republic at Jasenovac and in the killing fields. Another 300 000 or so Serbs/Jews/Gyspsies were killed by the Nazis and their allies in other parts of Yugoslavia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepen...ate_of_Croatia

As for the Bulgarians and Albanians, its true that they didnt kill Jews within their own countries, but when they invaded Yugoslavia they had no problem killing the Serbs/Gypsies/Jews in the occupied areas. The Albanians were infact one of the only countries to have their own SS squad:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Wa..._(1st_Albanian)

along with the Bosnian Muslims

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Wa... (1st_Croatian)

And heres what the Bulgarians did in Macedonia :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria_in_World_War_II

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Youre right about Belgrade being considered the first Juden-Frei capitol of Europe. But thats because the Nazis rounded them all up and murdered em along with hundreds of thousands of Serbs and Gypsies.

Ide like to close by saying youre an idiot. How the hell could anyone think the Serbs would be on the Germans side? Do you not remember how World War 1 started? It was Serbia vs the German States of Austria and Germany. Serbia lost 1/3rd of their male population and 16% of their entire population during the war (The most per population in Europe) fighting the Germans. The embaressment of defeat to Serbia and her supporters (France/England/Russia) led to Hitlers rise to power.

PS. Srbosjek mean Serb-Cutter in the Serbo-Croatian language. Whish is exactly what it was, a knife to cut up Serbs.

Absoloutely disgusted by your post.

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For every German soldier that was killed in Yugoslavia during world war two, the Nazis would murder 100 Serbian civilians. This was the case even if it was Communist Croats/Muslims/Sloveneans (Who were against the Nazis) that did the killings. The Germans only massacred Serbs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kragujevac_massacre

Infact the ethnic groups who suffered the most during World War 2 in Europe were the Poles, Russians, Jews and the Serbs. But of cors you dont learn that history in the west. You dont learn about the 25 million dead Russians, the 20 million dead Chinese, the 15 million dead Indonesians, 6 million dead Poles etc. You think World War 2 was only about the Holocaust of the Jews!

Serbs and Jews even today have great a great relationship because of the persecution we suffered together during the War. My brother and I are named after two Jewish brothers who faught against the Nazis in Croatia before both being murdered in concentration camps.

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Infact the ethnic groups who suffered the most during World War 2 in Europe were the Poles, Russians, Jews and the Serbs. But of cors you dont learn that history in the west. You dont learn about the 25 million dead Russians, the 20 million dead Chinese, the 15 million dead Indonesians, 6 million dead Poles etc. You think World War 2 was only about the Holocaust of the Jews!

You sound indoctrinated against the west.

Obviously basic history education in Europe deals with mostly relevant domestic history, with a touch of basic world history. This is the same everywhere on the planet, domestic history comes first.

Nowhere in the world do they teach history more uncensored and impartial than in much of what you describe as "the west" though. You don't find other countries educating their youth on the atrocities committed by their own families as vigourously and truthfully as they do in Germany.
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No reply Nick Young?

For every German soldier that was killed in Yugoslavia during world war two, the Nazis would murder 100 Serbian civilians. This was the case even if it was Communist Croats/Muslims/Sloveneans (Who were against the Nazis) that did the killings. The Germans only massacred Serbs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kragujevac_massacre

Infact the ethnic groups who suffered the most during World War 2 in Europe were the Poles, Russians, Jews and the Serbs. But of cors you dont learn that history in the west. You dont learn about the 25 million dead Russians, the 20 million dead Chinese, the 15 million dead Indonesians, 6 million dead Poles etc. You think World War 2 was only about the Holocaust of the Jews!

Serbs and Jews even today have great a great relationship because of the persecution we suffered together during the War. My brother and I are named after two Jewish brothers who faught against the Nazis in Croatia before both being murdered in concentration camps.
You are new here, so you might not know, Nick Young is an ignorant ill-educated asshole. Either ignore him or just laugh off his stupidity and ignorance.
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My grandmother's family had to leave Serbia in the 1880s because their village got burned down by a pogrom. So my whole life she would always tell me bad things about Serbians. She didn't even live their, she was born in the US, just her grandparents were, but she still hated Serbia. And she'd always tell me Jasenovac and how the serbs volunteered to put it there and ran it better then any nazi death camp.

And yes we never learned this in school, so all I knew was what my grandma told me. Guess it was from a biased view. Thanks for telling me this stuff. I WAS WRONG AND IGNORANT. I won't make this mistake of calling out Serbs again.

But yeh, no one thinks of the holocaust as only against the Jews. In Hebrew school growing up they ALWAYS stress the poles, gypsies, homosexuals and communists and freemasons were also murdered. You're right, serbs are rarely mentioned. My Hebrew school too had a bad opinion of the Serbs. Wonder why, apparently according to you and other things I've been reading Jews and serbs used to get on really well.

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Don't worry about this Serbian propaganda. They have been doing it for years. Their dream was to make Big Serbia and they have this saying Serbia to Tokyo. They made a lot of crimes in the past and my family had to get out of village before Serbs burnt it down.

During Yugoslavia days they would take most of the money from all republics to themselves. That led to break-up of the country.

They got defeated again in the Homeland War by Croatians who in the beginning did not have access to weapons. in 1999 they got bombarded by the NATO forces. That's when their dreams of big country started to fall apart. Afterwards they lost Montenegro as part of their country. Nowadays Kosovo does not want to be dictated by the government from Belgrade. Vojvodina is also close to actually start debating about its own independence.

The funny thing is that most of the Serbs will tell you how everyone is against them and everything is conspiracy. They will tell you they are the best country in the world and that nobody can beat them at anything.

Most of their generals have been apprehended and sentenced for crimes of ethnic cleaning of Croats and Muslims in the Bosnian region.

Most of Croatian generals have been freed recently and the Homeland War was declared as official war in which Croatia had the right to defend itself and its people.

When I lived in the States I found a lot of Serbs or ex Chetniks who fled Serbia. In the US they are even bigger nationalists than Serbs in Serbia. They have these big parties where they pride themselves on how big nationalists they are. In reality they do not even know what is going on in Serbia today and how economically ****e* up it is.

Crazy people I tell ya.
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You sound indoctrinated against the west.

Obviously basic history education in Europe deals with mostly relevant domestic history, with a touch of basic world history. This is the same everywhere on the planet, domestic history comes first.

Nowhere in the world do they teach history more uncensored and impartial than in much of what you describe as "the west" though. You don't find other countries educating their youth on the atrocities committed by their own families as vigourously and truthfully as they do in Germany.

I agree 100% with your example about Germany. Infact, I think they do it a little too much. No doubt their Nazi history is controversial, but theyre not the only European state with a dubious history. All European countries have negative aspects within ther history, especially the major powers.

I hate the NAZIS because of what they did to my people, so im happy when i throw it in their faces. But at the same time, Napoleans France was just as blood thirsty, aswell as Imperiaslist Britain, The Tsarist Russians, the Fascist French etc etc. Theyre all just as bad eachother.

And no I dont agree that history is better taught in Western schools. Ive lived in both societies, in the West (Especially here in Australia) the education system is a joke until you make it to University.

Im a student of International Relations and Law. In High School we learned every year about World War 2 and not once was Stalingrad or the Eastern Front mentioned, or the suffering of the Poles and Soviet Citizens. We only learned about D-Day, th Holocaust and the Atomic Bombs. I knew more about history from watching television in Serbia during the middle of a war than I did in my entire secondary education in Australia. It was more important for kids here to watch Cartoon Network and Nickelodean :)

PS. I Love the West. Wouldnt choose anywhere else in the world to live. Doesnt mean I cant find faults with it just like i find faults with the non- West countries (I mean we wouldnt have migrated if we were living it up would we?)
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Don't worry about this Serbian propaganda. They have been doing it for years. Their dream was to make Big Serbia and they have this saying Serbia to Tokyo. They made a lot of crimes in the past and my family had to get out of village before Serbs burnt it down.

During Yugoslavia days they would take most of the money from all republics to themselves. That led to break-up of the country.

They got defeated again in the Homeland War by Croatians who in the beginning did not have access to weapons. in 1999 they got bombarded by the NATO forces. That's when their dreams of big country started to fall apart. Afterwards they lost Montenegro as part of their country. Nowadays Kosovo does not want to be dictated by the government from Belgrade. Vojvodina is also close to actually start debating about its own independence.

The funny thing is that most of the Serbs will tell you how everyone is against them and everything is conspiracy. They will tell you they are the best country in the world and that nobody can beat them at anything.

Most of their generals have been apprehended and sentenced for crimes of ethnic cleaning of Croats and Muslims in the Bosnian region.

Most of Croatian generals have been freed recently and the Homeland War was declared as official war in which Croatia had the right to defend itself and its people.

When I lived in the States I found a lot of Serbs or ex Chetniks who fled Serbia. In the US they are even bigger nationalists than Serbs in Serbia. They have these big parties where they pride themselves on how big nationalists they are. In reality they do not even know what is going on in Serbia today and how economically ****e* up it is.

Crazy people I tell ya.

That right Nick. Listen to this dude. He will also tell you that Jasenovac and Auschwitz were imaginary. Typical Croatian Nazi. Thanks for the feedback Jack :)

As for you grandmothers situation, I dont have an answer to that. Serbia (And Montenegro) both gained Independance from the Ottamon Turkish Empire in 1872. Therefore they were still under control from the Turks until that date.

However a brief history of the Empire will tell you that Muslims and Jews were considered the upper class during Ottoman times. I know its hard to believe with the animosity between Jews and Muslims today.....but Jews were actually protected by the Muslims throughout their Empires (Especially against Christians). Before the Christian states of the Balkans (Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Croatia, Albania etc) won their independence they were treated as second class citizens. Only Muslim converts, Turks and Jews were allowed to live in the big cities, while Christians (Croats, Serbs etc) were deliberately kept in rural backdrops.

I assume after the Christian uprisings your ancestor must have been subjicated to anti-Jewish, anti-Ottamon hardships as the local Christians sough revenge for 500 years of near slavery. Im not condoning it of cors, Im just telling you the history and the reasons :)
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