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Old 04-26-2013, 10:19 PM   #16
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Maybe Haliburton did get big government contracts because of Cheney's connections. But that doesn't mean they staged 9/11.

You're right, it doesn't.

But which evidence can you show me that proves they didn't?

The TOTALITY of evidence of motive, ability, and cyclical historic precedent is VERY STRONG. Like, better than 50/50 imo. Hey, OJ got off, right? Do you think he didn't do it? Apparently it hasn't been proven. Do you think he didn't do it? Why would he, right? He's OJ Simpson. He's got dat life. Money, fame, health. Absurd to think he'd kill two people and risk a life of shame and imprisonment. How many Americans believe despite all that, he did commit murder anyway? Probably 80%.

How many people go on auto-dismiss about government sanctioned social control through terror? Probably 80%.

The only reason there's a difference is because OJ doing it or not doing it doesn't completely shake anyone's entire foundation of thought, understanding, and reality. Realizing the government killed its own people forces us all into a chaotic reality of having to confront that and deal with it. People don't accept the idea of it, not because they've thought about each side carefully, but because they believe what they WANT to believe. Proven fact. Every fan base in the NBA thinks their guy is the MVP. And they really believe it. People believe what they WANT to believe.




Colonel Jessup was 100% right. People CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. It's real talk.

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Old 04-26-2013, 10:28 PM   #17
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We were behind 9/11 in order for us to have a reason to go there and take over their oil.

If we go take oil by flexing our muscles, we look evil and that's no bueno.

If we go take oil being there in defense of our towers, we look like good guys and we can do whatever we want.
The problem with this line of thinking is that we didn't take over their oil.

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The problem with this line of thinking is that we didn't take over their oil.

Your move.

Says who?

There's US troops standings guard over the huge numerous heroin farms over there. Think they aren't controlling the oil, too?
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The problem with this line of thinking is that we didn't take over their oil.

Your move.


Homeslice, I don't think you have any knowledge of the energy business affiliations between the Bush family (you know, the family of the guy was President on 9/11), and the Saudi Royals. Saddam Hussein was a nemesis and a rival to both. He was the one in control of those Iraqi oil fields. He was rogue and uncooperative and a major thorn in their sides. Not for national safety reasons, for business reasons.

Now Iraq is run by a puppet government friendly to America and Saudi government/interests. Obviously they're not gonna brazenly run American flags up to the top of oil rigs in Iraq. You think there's not a sweetheart deal in all this? This is one of the most profitable industries on Earth. The people who control it are the most powerful people on Earth.

You remind me of Kobe stans who insist he's "clutch" because its a great narrative. We went over and valiantly defended freedom by toppling the nefarious Hussein regime and those terrorists who were out to get us! This is a proud day for American liberty freedom courage and we have won against terror islam murder jihad weapons and death!"

Sounds great, huh. Go look at the NBA forum. See how many people eat up the Kobe hero, MVP, clutch, 5 rings narrative because its an IDEAL and they buy it.

Then go look at what facts and history actually say. Look at what they are pointing your ****ing face directly at. And then go ahead. Close your eyes. I know you will.
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You're right, it doesn't.

But which evidence can you show me that proves they didn't?
How can there be evidence of something that didn't happen? Some of you guys are stupid as fk.
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First time trying to engage in a rational debate? You just asked him to provide evidence that an event never took place....that's never a good tactic when engaging in a debate. Proving a negative beyond a reasonable doubt can be done, but beyond ALL doubt? Impossible.
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First time trying to engage in a rational debate? You just asked him to provide evidence that an event never took place....that's never a good tactic when engaging in a debate. Proving a negative beyond a reasonable doubt can be done, but beyond ALL doubt? Impossible.

Huh?

He said Halliburton connections are not proof that a certain thing happened.

I asked him for his proof that a certain thing DIDNT happen.

What you are talking about is physical possibility. You can't prove the Earth didn't used to be made of mustard. You don't have to because it would not have been physically possible based on how it exists today.

Powerful interests being complicit in 9/11 is physically plausible, not to mention logically plausible (how plausible varies by personal opinion). That's my point. I pointed out the profitability to the sitting president's family, as well as the sitting vice president's former company, which he was discovered to have been tied to more recently than he had publicly stated, as one of a few pieces of circumstantial evidence. He said it didn't prove causation. I said great. Say somthing that proves these interests weren't complicit. He couldn't.


You in sheep mode brah or u just trollin?



edit - in any event, you could move closer to proving non involvement if you catch bin laden alive and forcibly interrogate him publicly. but they didnt even release a picture of him being dead. they just asked you to believe that when obamas approval ratings were at an all time low, they suddenly caught the boogieman.


i mean, these tactics are so basic, and have so much precedent throughout all of history, and just as is always the case, most people are completely unaware of it. and that's why it works. rich neoconservatives with ties to the bush administration and the energy industry literally got EVERYTHING THEY COULD HAVE DREAMED OF out of 9/11. Contracts, military spending, re-election, tightened domestic control, territorial occupation...

Literally the most rich and powerful men in America (thus, on the planet) went CHECKMATE mode from 9/11. The people who got skunked were the average american, and the average iraqi. Everyone with ties to the administration was dancing around in a downpour of cash and power.

You think thats a accident broski?




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lol yall are lobbin me softballs here. i hope you appreciate that im stickin around and puttin on a derby for ya.

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so they could go to war for oil

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lol yall are lobbin me softballs here. i hope you appreciate that im stickin around and puttin on a derby for ya.

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dat truth.
What truth exactly?
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As far as bin laden goes, please read 1984.

The character Emmanuel Goldstein was an exact prototype of what bin laden was. In Oceana everyone was shown a video of him each morning or something (been a lil while since i read it) and Big Brother said 'this man is your enemy. he is behind all of the danger in our country. he is the one who sends people out get you'. And the whole crowd would boo and hiss and throw things at his picture on the tv screen. They'd accept any policy that was stated as having an objective of taking down Emmanuel Goldstein. Even tho the facts about Goldstein changed continuously to suit the governments needs.

And the main character Winston is thinking "...wtf??? can't these people see beyond this at all??"


Our military is mind blowingly powerful. They have technology we don't even think exists yet. They're the ones who invented computers, microwaves, epipens, duct tape, gps etc. Things that werent commercialized til later.

If the United States military wants to find a human somewhere on the planet, they can do it. With satellites and computers etc, they can send a missile from our shores up someones nose in Madagascar. This is not Sherrif Cletus from the Bumpkinville police dept. If this guy is hiding out in the mountains, they can hone in tons of cameras in on the Afghan mountains and find human activity. Or just do it the old fashioned way. If this guy is on the lam in the mountains, he's obviously being assisted. Offer up a 100 million dollar ransom for even just one of his boys to turn him in. Someone would.


This gimp, with a face recognizable worldwide, manages to evade US MILITARY, while at the same time PUTTING OUT VIDEOS whenever its politically convenient for AMERICAN GOVERNMENT??

And then when the new President is twisting in the wind, suddenly we "capture" him with no evidence?



DEAR SWEET GOD, MAN.


Like i said, read Animal Farm and 1984 if you haven't or if you've forgotten them. They are literally the blueprints of how society works over and over again. They were written before any of the modern administrations, and yet we are following the pattern to a tee. There will always be pigs who prey DOMESTICALLY on sheep, at levels you would think are fiction. But they are not. And the third parties who see it and try to explain it aren't even eviscerated, or offed, or mysteriously disappear, because its not even necessary. The sheep won't believe them anyway.

And what you have to understand is, this kind of thing doesnt just happen over and over by coincidence. It is an evolutionary product of human nature. It's a cycle that has evolved a foothold in human civilization. So on it goes.

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What truth exactly?

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Well if you asked the late David Rockefeller, he would say something probably along the lines of:

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

- Rockefeller speaking at UN Business conference, Sept. 14, 1994

If you somehow don't know who David Rockefeller is I suggest you do a quick Google search on him for more info.

"We are grateful to the The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years, But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

- Rockerfeller,founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to them in a meeting in June 1991


"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing me and my family as 'internationalists' and conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

- Rockefeller in his own book, "Memoirs"

These rich elite families basically run and control the media and entertainment industries and have deep ties with the government. The amount of symbolism around them is simply incredible, and they are known devil worshipers. In fact in Rockefeller center plaza there is statue of the Greek god Prometheus, which is a picture of Satan, who "stole the torch from Zeus and brought it down to man" and gave it to mankind. Just as Satan tempted man into the knowledge of good and evil and "awakened" man. Lucifer was once the most beautiful angel and powerful angel of God who was overcome with pride and was cast out of heaven with a third of God's angels to dwell in our world. The devil is now known as Satan, which means accuser. Many believe that Genesis 1:3-5 is referring to this:

"Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day."

Which the Bible later goes on to say:

"This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all."

1 John 1:5

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." Ephesians 6:12

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole word is under control of the evil one." - 1 John 5:19

"The god of the age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." - 2 Corinthians 4:4

I'm telling you this because it's true, and Bible is true and it's prophecies are coming true. Look the world people! Open up your eyes.

This NWO stuff is prophesied in the Bible, and if you want more info:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pivPOLUN2ew



I didn't actually read any of this until just now.


THIS kind of nonsense is exactly what drives people away from asking important questions about actual subversive government action. Nobody wants to be associated with this stuff, and for good reason.


I apologize if anyone mistook my posts in this thread for being in agreement with OP. Clearly, OP is a f@ggot.

What I am telling you is the legitimate, historical, time-tested modus operandi of large and powerful governments. Just like Fannie and Freddie were not "too big to fail" the US Government is not "too big to sacrifice parts of its own population for its own gain". Ken Lay ripped off his own COWORKERS to make his rich self richer. Bernie Madoff did the same thing. OJ had dat life and killed two people anyway. Allegedly. Anyone who's basis for not believing the likes of American energy interests and Saudi Royal families would not harm Americans for massive long term gain because "well theyd just never do that, come on" is completely living in a different world than reality. THIS IS REALITY. This is what happens in society on planet earth. Life is evolved from competition. Things eat other things. Same in human society, figuratively obviously. You think some cut-throat CEO wouldn't put a butcher knife clean through your chest if it meant a chance to become the worlds RICHEST ceo just because "hey we're all americans here!"??? It has always happened. And the predictability of this bin laden boogieman video stuff, and then we catch him when a distractions convenient, its so utterly contrived i just can't fathom some of the people im talking to about it and their blindness. Most people literally have a reality allergy.

But anyway, OP has taken a general truth and fictionalized, perverted, and sensationalized it to the point of sci-fi silliness.

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